Interracial Relationships.

[Gadelius]

I understand what you're saying, but for me, and the way my parents taught me ever since we came to the States, is that just because we live in America doesn't mean we are going to be raised the American way or w/e. America is outside the home, Armenia is inside the home. This is how my parents always put it..

Forgive me, but [ whilst I don't disagree ]... couldn't a Jew say the same thing...?

There arises a difficulty here, I feel - at least in America; that it, the host culture has no Culture of its own - at least any more; it comprises, by and large, by what are, in effect... or at least, what have become a collection of 'parasitic' cultures, which either compete - with the 'host', with each other... or are absorbed. To try to form an 'island' in the midst of an ocean of decadence is difficult to say the least and, well, ultimately... hopeless...[ ? ]; especially when America appears to be on a moral crusade to make the rest of the world... 'American' [ whatever that means ]. A Culture needs a place to 'live' and if it spreads itself too thin, or forgets who or what it is... it will eventually evaporate. To this end, one might ask the question what it 'is' to be 'Armenian'? And perhaps the rest will fall into place...

[HyeJinx1984]

Forgive me, but [ whilst I don't disagree ]... couldn't a Jew say the same thing...?

There arises a difficulty here, I feel - at least in America; that it, the host culture has no Culture of its own - at least any more; it comprises, by and large, by what are, in effect... or at least, what have become a collection of 'parasitic' cultures, which either compete - with the 'host', with each other... or are absorbed. To try to form an 'island' in the midst of an ocean of decadence is difficult to say the least and, well, ultimately... hopeless...[ ? ]; especially when America appears to be on a moral crusade to make the rest of the world... 'American' [ whatever that means ]. A Culture needs a place to 'live' and if it spreads itself too thin, or forgets who or what it is... it will eventually evaporate. To this end, one might ask the question what it 'is' to be 'Armenian'? And perhaps the rest will fall into place...

Reading your post is like watching William Shatner act. LOL don't mean that as an insult, that was just the image that came to mind. I agree with most of what you say actually. America doesn't really have a culture of it's own, it's jus comprised of different cultures of the early immigrants. Baseball, Pro-Wrestling and Hotdogs... that's basically american culture.

[angelik22]

hey jinx i love your new sig... wonder where you got that? hmmm lemme think

[Gadelius]

Reading your post is like watching William Shatner act. LOL don't mean that as an insult, that was just the image that came to mind.

Or 'Shat' to his friends.

Mmm... must have been that 'ham' sandwich I just ate.

Anyway; back to your station, Mmm...ister.. We've got a planet to save.

[Crimson Glow]

Crimson:
The second part = Well, DUH! Of course in the beginning of the relationship the couple (interracial couple of course) know all about each other's traditions and agree to take part in both of their traditions, religions, etc. but it is most likely that later on, someone from the relationship will not accept their partner's tradition anymore. Very similar to you saying, "...women stick it out with their men no matter what they do to them." And that doesn't only go toward Armenians. When they reach that part they cannot just back away from it because they are MARRIED to the person. That is where the divorce comes in and well, the rest is clear. Not a successful marriage.

That doesn't make any sense. Someone from the relationship will just randomly not accept their partner's traditions anymore??? Is it some kind of magical spell that gets cast on one of them? Or does one think that the traditions of the other are going to disappear after a few years of marriage, and when it doesn't, they get ticked off?? I'm failing to understand the reasoning, which is why I pointed out the obvious to you in my last post.


On a semi-related, random side note: I had fully intended on moving to South Cali some day to be with my fellow Armenians. But after interacting in various ways with Cali Armos for a while (reading message boards, being in the chat room many times, etc) I can safely say there isn't a China man's chance in hell of that happening, now. The lack of integrity and piss-poor character and intellect I have seen has turned me off to the point that I don't think anything could change my mind back. So, in essence, it is the lack of "Armenianess" within that little community of....100% Armenians who are "carrying on the heritage", that has caused a fellow Armenian to turn away, and has in many ways, made me ashamed of my race. I fear moving there and experiencing it first hand may not only make me avoid marrying an Armenian for sure, but possibly even change my last name. How's that for irony to this thread and the supporters of the "marry your own race" mentality?

[HyeJinx1984]

On a semi-related, random side note: I had fully intended on moving to South Cali some day to be with my fellow Armenians. But after interacting in various ways with Cali Armos for a while (reading message boards, being in the chat room many times, etc) I can safely say there isn't a China man's chance in hell of that happening, now. The lack of integrity and piss-poor character and intellect I have seen has turned me off to the point that I don't think anything could change my mind back. So, in essence, it is the lack of "Armenianess" within that little community of....100% Armenians who are "carrying on the heritage", that has caused a fellow Armenian to turn away, and has in many ways, made me ashamed of my race. I fear moving there and experiencing it first hand may not only make me avoid marrying an Armenian for sure, but possibly even change my last name. How's that for irony to this thread and the supporters of the "marry your own race" mentality?

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Owie...

You know, considering how much bashing we get here in L.A., I'm tempted to come out and visit you guys and see how great everything is... but I swear, for the crap we get out here, Armenians in other parts of the country better be xxxxing gold.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Just making a statement based on observation. I have yet to see an American born Armenian use esh in a serious mannar/situation when truely trying to insult someone. And I've also noticed it's usually Beruitsi Armos that use the word most frequently. However, it's interesting that you looked right over her blatant insult, yet questioned my obscure phrase. What is that, Baron? What???

Corrrrrrrrrrection: I am from Yerevan, second there is no right manner to use the word esh! In this case u are an ESH. Since u dont have enough brain cells to use ur imagination and understand what my point is. Plus im never in the mood to respond seriously in threads. For further questions u can send private message and I can teach some anthropology about ur comment " of labeling the nations". Otherwise keep ur "intelligent" comments for OTARAMOL ppl like, b/c there is no way in this world i would agree with u.

[Emil]

Fire, there is no reason to call other members derogatory comments. If you aren't in the mood to post serious replies, then PM everybody and stop posting.

Let's get back on the subject of interracial relationships.

[angelik22]

btw where's mousey?

[Crimson Glow]

Corrrrrrrrrrection: I am from Yerevan, second there is no right manner to use the word esh! In this case u are an ESH. Since u dont have enough brain cells to use ur imagination and understand what my point is. Plus im never in the mood to respond seriously in threads. For further questions u can send private message and I can teach some anthropology about ur comment " of labeling the nations". Otherwise keep ur "intelligent" comments for OTARAMOL ppl like, b/c there is no way in this world i would agree with u.

You have a serious issue with reading comprehension, don't you? First of all, I said it's USUALLY beruitsi hyes that use esh. I never said always, nor did I ever claim YOU were beruitsi, so you corrected nothing. Secondly, I didn't say you used it incorrectly. All I said is it's a tired, meaningless, and weak attempt at an insult, think of something new. And then you shoot yourself in the foot by saying I need an imagination in order to understand your point. Why would I need to imagine your point? Oh, that's right: Because the actual point is invalid, making it non-existent. And as I tried to point out in my initial response, you're the one who can't think outside of your "people should only marry their own nationalities, why else do you think we have them" paradigm, so it's not me that needs the imagination. And why would you bring up anthropology (which by the way, I need no assistance from you in, as I've take several college courses)? What I said was that nature can't create labels (how can it???). Man created the different names and divisions of races and nationalities, which anthropology is merely the study of. Anthropology has nothing to do with refuting my statement.

Lashing out with insults rather than some what tactfully debating of one's opinion is the first indication that that person has run out of fuel for his/her argument. Notice how I stuck to disecting your comments with valid points, while you resorted to stuff like "if you don't agree that you should marry your own kind, you're an esh. I'll never agree with you!" Wow. That's pretty persuasive.

I should present you as part of the evidence for my case. You are the epitome of the traditional Armenian woman. You are the most stubborn when you're wrong, and are confined by nonsensical tradition, never being bold enough to question what you've been handed down, which is the direct opposite of what I (or any other man who's not a glutton for punishment) want in a wife. I want someone who makes each day a joy to live and grow as a person with, not a basketcase who's goal in life is to follow a predetermined path.