Interracial Relationships.

[Anonymouse]

I guess its time for me to add my opinion here too...

Armenians mixing: Armenians have always mixed... Armenians are not a “pure” culture... culture is created by societies, genetics have nothing to do with culture... why is that a Greek person looks exactly like ME and YOU, why is it that an Iranian person looks exactly like ME and YOU??? WHY? if genetics played any role in culture, then all the Greek people, all the Iranians, all the Iraqis, all the Italians, all the French, all the people that look like ME AND YOU are actually all Armenians, after all we look alike, and thats ALL GENETICS says, hair color, skin color, eye color, hiegth, weight, structure of body, etc... BUT THAT is a flawed argument, it s pure BS...

BS is exactly what you wrote. For if you have no knowledge of genetics, then you shouldn't even bother writing about it. For genetics is more than hair, skin, or bones, its who we are, because culture is a reflection of the people that create them. What do you mean by that ambiguous "culture is created by societies" nonsense? Its people that create cultures, and different cultures reflect different peoples, and yes, peoples race and genetics matters in what sort of cultures we produce, and I already gave an example of this, but you rather choose to appeal to your own ignorance and ignore it. What do you have to say to the fact that cultures from the Orient are more similar to those people, and cultures in the West are more similar to each other? What about the alphabets and architecture of these peoples?

1. Armenians are already a mix: in the Urartu Plateau there existed many tribes; some of them were the Hayasa, the Armens, the Sarkis, the Areves, the Anahits, the Naris, the Irans, the Hurris, the Urartus, and etc…; now we can all agree that Armenian was pretty f&$ing huge in the Urartu days... but think about the peoples names that existed then. Why do we call ourselves HAY, and others call us Armenians? Why is it that we call our country Nari? and many Armenians say that at one point the Persians and Armenians lived under one rule... why is it that it wasn’t until the 20th century that Armenians started to have their last names end in “ian”… ??? so they called their country IRAN and we called our country NARI, we considered ourselves brothers and sisters, ones who came from the same forefathers…
Armenians, just like other cultures, had many wars, had many problems with kings and queens, and so everytime there as a war, the people who WON got to name the country to their fancy, and so the strongest name that survived (see how I am not saying the strongest culture) was the Armens in the west and the Hays in the northeast. Go read a history book, by UCLA history professor, Richard somebodyian; anywho, not only is this in existent in Armenians but it also is present in other cultures. Like the all the Scandinavian countries, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, and so on… they all look alike, if genetics had something to say about that, it would say that they are all the SAME, but if you ask a Swedish person they will tell you there are SO MANY differences in between them and the Swiss, or the Finish… but the point is that at one point or another people were ruled by a group of people, and those people, the dominant ones always won the wars, so they named the country SWEDEN, (remember the vickings?) or whatever anyway, culture is only created by people, and people are the ones who continue it, but that does not mean that one should not merry an otar, it means that people are accepted into cultures by the rules and traditions set by those cultures and so they continue that culture.
For example the Armenians have always intermarried with some arabs, and some Russians, these people have been accepted by the Armenian culture and so they were “OK” to intermarry, and so their children would often be Armenian as well…

No one is "pure", my egalitarian feminist friend. Everyone has mixed throughout time, but like I have always said for the millionth time, mixing has been an exception to the rule, the general rule being societies maintaining their genetic and cultural make up. By your logic we are all "mixes" and "immigrants" everywhere so why do we even have cultures? Let's all be one big global family of brown look alikes eh? Your example that there has been some intermixing, which happens in all societies, and therefore we should all mix is stupid. Imagine if all Armenians, instead of mixing with some Arabs, mixed with all Arabs or Mongols for that matter. The ramifications of this are unimaginable, and this doesn't hold true only for Armenians, it's true of any society.

You trying to go into Armenian history to make a claim that we are not pure and in a failed effort trying to gather "evidence" by mentioning the UCLA professor of Armenian history, Richard Hovannissian by "sombodyian" is truly sad and pathetic, especially since he was my professor for the last 2 quarters, and I do have his book.

I also laugh at the claim that its because of interracial mixes why societies fail statement made by anony, because its actually the opposite! The only reason why countries have ever remained good with each other has always been because they find “THEMSELVES” in those cultures. Like the Persians and the Armenians, they co-existed for YEARS, and the only reason we were divided was because of RELIGION! Not culture.

I also laugh at the egalitarian feminists who try to appeal to their own ignorance of what history ought to be, as opposed to what it is. We have a general pattern of history showing that societies and civilizations rise and fall based on the homogeneity and mixing of its people, and we have world reknowned historians such as Carroll Quigley and Arnold Toynbee supporting this, but oh no, we should be in awe of the ground breaking opinion of nunechka who doesn't think that this is the case.

You know who else is half Armenian – Gary Gasparov the world chess winner for YEARS! He is a GENIUS! he is half Armenian half jewish, and guess what, we Armenians cling on to him as being Armenian, even though he is only half, but we don’t talk about stalin too much; why because we as a culture have accepted mr. gasparov, and we say YA! He is Armenian; then there is the guy who invented the “rubic cubic” and guess what he was half Armenian and I believe half Russian. And we accepted him, but we did not accept stalin; and I can go on with this list of modern day figures that we accept as being Armenian. But why stop there, lets talk about the goddess of love Anahit, and the same goddess existed in Greece, why? Have the same freakin goddess? Well because someone decided to, and maybe that someone was a powerful figure in our culture, who was schooled in Greece. I cant verify that with the life of me, but you know many parts of that are true…

I don't understand what your point is with quoting incessantly about "half and halfs". No one here argues against this, or that people mix. I can sit here and give good examples of mixtures, but then I can cite bad examples of mixtures and point to the majority of the Americas, North Africa, Middle East, and show that mixing really doesn't help socities. Mixing within your race, Russians are white, is different than mixing with say, a mestizo or an African. Even then, I believe the guy Valkator said it best in post # 247, and you should go back and read his post, as opposed to holding fast to your Marxist egalitarian drivel of colorless bliss.

Its so important for people to think outside of their little world; you are not the only culture in this world who think you are the purest, every culture thinks they are the purest, but we can argue with them day and night, for example the turks, the Georgians, the azerbajanis, WHO ELSE? You think a little now, and realize that maybe its not about saying “I prefer,”or “I think that people should not mix” but its about understanding that this WHOLE world is a mix, if it wasn’t then the Armenian population would never have increased after the genocide… what were we going to do, marry cousins? There were some cases of this happening but not many, and 90% of the Armenians that remained in this world, ...

How do you know where Armenians lived or did not live around and after the Genocide? You haven't even had a course on Armenian history, I'm willing to bet. They most certainly stuck to themselves, and very few of them did not. You are ignoring history and focusing on marginal points and making things up as you go along. There was a whole Armenian population in Eastern Armenia and Russia, not even spread out, and my own ancestors fleeing Ottoman Turkey settled in Syria, along with my whole family line and neighbors, and many Armenians. What is your point? My example just proved your illusory example "Armenians didnt live around Armenians" false on its head. Do you think you can read a bit of history before coming in and making erroneous claims based purely on fantasy? Unsubstantiated claims are unsubstantiated claims. No one is "pure", and no one argued against this, but it seems my fair white skin and green eyes dont mingle with some, if you get my drift. You are having a war with yourself. And as we have said, mixing is an exception to the rule. My guess is you wouldn't love living in Pasadena as much, when say, in 2050, America is majority non-white and most of south west America is covered with Mexicans.

after the genocide did not live around Armenians, and so they had to intermarry and we are a product of that, but hey I HAVE THE ARMENIAN FLAG in my HOUSE, and I have a painting of ARARAT in my HOUSE, and I know the hymn, and I know many poems, and I’m sure you do too, but what if you found out that maybe one of your grandparents was Egyptian, or Russian, or Iranian, but you are so patriotic and you SAY every morning to yourself, I AM ARMENIAN, I LOVE ARMENIA, and I am going to fight to marry in my culture, and I believe that we should all marry in our culture, but the news shocks you and you then justify to yourself that its ok, hey, I grew up with Armenian up bringing, and I speak Armenian, I went to Armenian school, and I ate Armenian food everyday, and so the old argument that you had about “purity” which is what HITLER also had, (and he wasn’t even “pure’ himself, he was half Austrian and half Hungarian, and he was trying to rule Germans) what a MORON, what a DUMB A$$$$$$ argument he had) goes DOWN THE TOILET!

You obviously have not read Hitler to know his thoughts on "purity" and have relied on your egalitarian liberal teachers to tell you what Hitler meant. I am not interested in what you have hanging on your wall, or what you did or how you were raised, or what you ate. Too much of your posts are worthless drivel, unsubstantiated assertions, and about yourself.

So I hope that we have all learned a lesson from this, and I hope that it was the same lesson, that Armenians, are the way that they are because of the mixes that we have had, we are wonderful people, and we are stupid people too, but we are not pure, there is no such thing in this world, not even the Japanese are “pure” why? Because of the Koreans, the vietmanese, the Chinese, the laos, the mongs, all of those people… they all look some much alike (just like the Greeks and Armenians) that its unrealistic to believe that they never intermarried. They may claim that, but remember so do the Armenians.

Thanks for your time...

I hope that we have all learned a lesson from this, and I hope that it is to never appeal to your own ignorance.

[ckBejug]

just as I was born with green eyes (thank u thank u lol), I was born with some sort of an immunity to odars when it comes to dating.
I simply cannot feel it when I'm talkin to a white guy or a black guy or a chinatsi(eww lol). I mean when it comes to physically WANTING them.. that's a different story lol. specially here in santa barbara.
but I simply can't see the connection with non armo guys.
oh and I'm glad I can't.
and I mean people are free.
they could date or marry whoever they want. I won't be telling them to do or not to do stuff. I just have one thing to tell them:
4 out of the 5 interracial marriages that I know ended up in a devorce!!!
dn dn dnnnnnnn

oh yeah

and nanuchka should SERIOUSLY consider therapy.
SHAD esh eh lol.

Were you Jahannam in another life?

[Thai-Samurai]

i didnt' read any of this, but maybe the first few posts so i have this to say: yo Anon your all I dont think armenians should marry others, because they'll have a hard time being accepted back. But then you dont show any optimistic views for Armenia's future. Personally I know I'm going to marry an Armenian because of very complicated reasons. But I've always thought about it, If I could live forever, I would marry and love a girl from every culture. And then after a 100 yrs or so move to another country and start a new life, it's not a perverted idea or anything. But think about it since you cant live forever you have to make one good choice. Since you're already born as a culture, the choice is made easier.

[ckBejug]

shushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Dang I'm GOOD. No one can pull the wool over my eyes!!

[jilbagh]

wouldn't that really itch?

[Anonymouse]

shushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I knew it from the style of your post.

[!EEK]

Well first of all I'd like to say Hi because it's my first post.

I thought at first glance this topic was a joke, but then..no..nearly everyone seems convinced that Armenians should date/marry other pure Armenians and all that rubbish talk.
As not a pure Armenian, I know I'm talking to defend myselfe. I'm nearly not even half Armenian! I have a French mother...and she is half French, half German with Swedish blood...and I was borne and I live in Belgium. I can speak Armenian but my reading is horrible.I don't have a single Armenian friend (sure, I have Armenian cousins), I neither went once in my life in Armenia and I could continue to talk about stuff that could separate me from so called "pure armenians".

Should I be ashamed? Well I'm not at all, I'm proud of being a mix of different culture and heritage. This doesn't mean that I feel less Armenian than the other pure Armenians....I'm interested in Armenian affairs especially the one with Turkia's denial of Genocide.

As far as I know, Armenians are known to be very religiouse and this may explain the fact that you culture must remain "pure" and not mingled with other cultures or.. worse (oh my god!) : other religion.

I won't whine about race equality.. I just want to say to Armenians that have this ideology that I won't think about one seconde if my friend is Armenian or not in order to perpetrate the armenian civilisation. I may then be considered as a heretic here but I guess I'll change my account!

[ckBejug]

I knew it from the style of your post.

Indeed. And also 'SHAD ESH ES'

Who else says that so often? lol

Welcome back!!

[Anonymouse]

Indeed. And also 'SHAD ESH ES'

Who else says that so often? lol

Welcome back!!

It used to be "SHAD aboosh es", or am I confusing this? But yes, the "shad esh/aboosh es" was definitely her trademark.

[Anonymouse]

ooops
look who it is...
the guy I haven't returned the call of!!!!!!!!!!
dn dn dnnnnn

sorry man... you know I don't mean to...
I just haven't been in the mood to deal with LA people lately llllllol

Have you heard from surfer? He's close to you I hear, in Santa Cruz. Now that you're a Santa Barbarian, I don't think I want to deal with your snotty ass either. Plus that school sucks about as much as a porn star on her 1000th dyck.