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  • #111
    i gotta say something here...been reading all these comments which are heartwarming especially coming from younger people and not just females...
    you see sometimes when you are young you hold on to those cherished beliefs and you value and honor virginity, YOUR virginity and have hopes and dreams of someday giving it to the right person, you cannot understand how someone can just 'have sex' and not be totally committed, you always imagine a 'i love you' or something to that effect when you become intimate with the one you think you love...but alas, as time goes on and you see the reality of what is going on around you, your hopes shatter from within, your inner beautiful chaste world crumbles and a quiet implosion takes place within your soul as you realize that you may never find that person or when you do it might be two decades from now...then as time goes on you try to erase the bitterness that grows within you and hold onto the fantasy that you thought was so real...and in the end, you either succumb to carnal desires or you do not, but one thing is for sure, your rosey tinted spectacles get tainted with dark little patches of reality, of uncertainty, as you find yourself surrounded by people who think that sex is just a physiological experience...

    this is a very touching thread and i can't help but get misty eyed as i read all your posts and reflect on my thoughts...wish true intimacy and lovemaking and faithfulness and chastity were more prevalent in our society than mere fornication...

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    • #112
      Contrary to what Seapahn said, virginity has everything to do with religion. Have you not familiarized yourself with religion? From the ancients and the virgin mother idea, to the strongest symbol in Christianity, that of the Virgin Mary. And do not forget the virgin births of other religions such as the Egyptians with Isis and the Hindu religion with Nari. The celestial virgin, during the last 3 centuries that preceded the Christian era, the pagans of the mysteries celebrated it, and it occupied the horoscope, the gate of heaven through which the sun and the moon ascended above the horizon at the two equinoxes. It was thus connected with the march of tiomes and seasons of the sun, the moon, and day and night, at the principal epochs of the year. And at the equinoxes were celebrated the mysteries of Ceres, and from which we have the star name Spica Virginis, and where do you think the sign of Virgo comes from?

      Virginity signifies something pure and holy, not just for women, but for men. Of course such views evoke laffter and contempt from the more 'rational' minds who are not religous, those that lead the promiscuous life or those that do not need morality or religion since they have their "own morality" (akin to inventing their own moralities to justify their actions). It is something beyond a mere material sensation. The definition of virginity is not ambiguous. It is as clear as ever. Anyone who engages in any sex acts before marriage is violating that sacredness that is associated with virginity, with purity, with innocence. Sexual promiscuity whether 'oral', 'anal', or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but the vulgar behavior and expression of lost souls, that is meant to appease ones carnal desires, and nothing more. It stupifies and debilitates our spiritual sense of self, and leaves us with no everlasting spiritual sensation or moment to cherish that which is unique to ourselves. Morality teaches us to be hard on ourselves, because morality addresses self-discipline. And self-discipline is what we need to ward off promiscuity. That is how religion, morality, and virginity all tie in.

      I've known lots of girls who've chosen the free sexual road of a brief moment of pleasure. It is all dandy, and the sun is shining until it is followed by the unchosen side effect of a certain uncertainty, and that is when the clouds gather and the thunderstorms begin, anger builds toward the man involved, the rains begin to drop and finally a deep self-hatred that will be never stood by any feminist analysis. I've known these girls, some of them friends, and it changed their lives for the ill. Self-respect requires self-control. Morality is about self-control. Doing the right thing is doing the hard thing, and how many in this age can truly say they prefer the hard road over the easy road? They would be told that they are a 'fool'. Hard choices are right precisely because they do not come easily. Who would rather work now and enjoy later? Who would rather not have sex now and hold it for that special soul? We certainly shouldn't hold our breath of popular culture coming to our aid in these matters, since popular culture always opts for the easy way out instead of the character-building struggle. To such a materialistic and spiritually bankrupt worldview, virginity is but the revolutionary option, in an age of resistance bogged down in sexual liberation. To everyone else, enjoy the choices you make, and the consequences that follow, for there is no other return to innocence.

      Achkerov kute.

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      • #113
        The question is: what is the benefit of staying a virgin? What difference does it make? At the end of the day, it's your body, it's your natural urges and you have the right to do something about it. It's only this stupid society that has made it seem like it' something dirty to be ashamed of, when in fact it is the most natural thing in the world. Even God in the Bible says: Go forth and multiply. So much so that he does it himself by impregnating Mary without her knowledge. We would call that rape in this day and age. And finally, whoever believes that a virgin is more innocent than a non-virgin is nothing more than an ignorant fool.

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        • #114
          Originally posted by nairi
          The question is: what is the benefit of staying a virgin? What difference does it make? At the end of the day, it's your body, it's your natural urges and you have the right to do something about it. It's only this stupid society that has made it seem like it' something dirty to be ashamed of, when in fact it is the most natural thing in the world. Even God in the Bible says: Go forth and multiply. So much so that he does it himself by impregnating Mary without her knowledge. We would call that rape in this day and age. And finally, whoever believes that a virgin is more innocent than a non-virgin is nothing more than an ignorant fool.
          Relax. You do not need to justify yourself. However, that is not what God meant in the Bible with "Go forth and multiply". There was a different meaning behind it. However, that is not the point here. If you don't like being a virgin, and if you don't like religion, that is entirely your choice. No one said you aren't free to choose option B. As far as virginity and innocence, I have reason to believe it makes all the difference.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #115
            Originally posted by nairi
            The question is: what is the benefit of staying a virgin? What difference does it make? At the end of the day, it's your body, it's your natural urges and you have the right to do something about it. It's only this stupid society that has made it seem like it' something dirty to be ashamed of, when in fact it is the most natural thing in the world. Even God in the Bible says: Go forth and multiply. So much so that he does it himself by impregnating Mary without her knowledge. We would call that rape in this day and age. And finally, whoever believes that a virgin is more innocent than a non-virgin is nothing more than an ignorant fool.
            No offense here, but you are very much so defending yourself and speaking about things where you have no knowledge of. If you quote the Bible the way you did, first within the Bible it is considered a sin, and second, oyu are taking it out of context.

            I have noticed that there is two ways of thinking about sex. And i suppose it would matter which way YOU think, where then it would affect the way you are with sex. As in, if one beleives sex is for loving, sex is to show THE ONE person in your life that means more than anyone else, forever and not just NOW, that you two are ONE and you two are most intimately in love, then this person would most likely refrain from sex until he/she is married to the one person he/she loves. On the other side, we have the person that thinks sex is merely for physical pleasure, and not in many ways, or not in "intimate" ways does it show how you love the other person. (And i would like it if we used the REAL term for sex before marriage, which is Fornication). for all those who beleive fornication is perfectly suitable for them, go on ahead, i dont think anyone is trying to, nor can change the way you think.. but it doesnt hurt to understand maybe why those who hold on to there virginity, or for those who have lost it but regret it, do so.

            And please dont anyone try to say that "when i fornicated with such and such out of marraige, i Loved him" that as we all pretty much very well know, is not LOVE it is simply Lust.
            How do you hurt a masochist?
            -By leaving him alone.Forever.

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            • #116
              As in, if one beleives sex is for loving, sex is to show THE ONE person in your life that means more than anyone else, forever and not just NOW, that you two are ONE and you two are most intimately in love, then this person would most likely refrain from sex until he/she is married to the one person he/she loves.


              I agree with this statement. Only because as you state people are saying what they believe having sex means. In the Bible I might add It does not say that about sex. As you all know. Its about Two people Joining together to become one. Many people suppose that if a word or phrase isn't in the Bible in the exact manner they expect that it is not covered at all, but this is not the case - especially in moral matters.

              Sinful sexual acts fall into two categories: Fornication (or "sexual immorality") which is sex between unmarried people, and Adultery (sex between married people with other partners). ASS GEVO STATED.

              Now people can find a loophole and question should pre-marital sex be included in the category of "fornication?" While there is no proof-text for the answer, I think it can be easily discovered from some basic principles. An important fact to consider is that Scripture calls marriage a covenant (Prov. 2:16; Mal. 2:14) and there are many others. As we all know at marriage the bride’s blood on the bed sheet (from her broken hymen) was used to prove her sexual purity (Lev. 20:10; Dt. 22:21). Under the Old Covenant, parents kept this sheet as proof of their daughter’s virginity. If the husband ever accused the wife of not being a virgin when he married her (thus committing fornication), the bride’s parents would produce the sheet.

              Bablablab….we already know this....but my opinion is that people confuse the idea of having sex just to have sex to. sex is about two bodies joining and becoming into one. the Bible states this. It even states that having sex with a prostitute a man will become one body one flesh... "Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body For He says, 'the two shall become one flesh.'" Even sex with a prostitute joins a person to her. So even after sexual sin a person is still accountable for his or her sexual actions - for each one is essentially a counterfeit covenant before God.

              That’s all im gone state. The only reason I did write this is so people can stop trying to justify themselves. I have no judgment to place on people who have had or will have sex it is their lives. Im only trying to explain what I believe the Bible is saying.
              Last edited by XxgoeyxX; 08-03-2004, 09:36 AM.
              You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.

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              • #117
                Originally posted by XxgoeyxX


                Bablablab….we already know this....but my opinion is that people confuse the idea of having sex just to have sex to. sex is about two bodies joining and becoming into one. the Bible states this. It even states that having sex with a prostitute a man will become one body one flesh... "Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body For He says, 'the two shall become one flesh.'" Even sex with a prostitute joins a person to her. So even after sexual sin a person is still accountable for his or her sexual actions - for each one is essentially a counterfeit covenant before God.
                Gohar your interpretation of Bible distinctly brilliant!!!!
                I'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.

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                • #118
                  Originally posted by sleuth
                  Gohar your interpretation of Bible distinctly brilliant!!!!


                  blush blushh...........
                  You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.

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                  • #119
                    You know, I don't know if any of you agree with me, but I am sick and tired of people telling me what I can/can't/should/shouldn't do with my own body. What right does another HUMAN BEING with the same immoral past/present/future as I have to tell me that I'm being wrong in my choices to do what I want to/with my body. My body is a beautiful creation for ME to enjoy, and it's not up to society or anyone to tell me how to "keep it sacred". I believe there are far bigger problems in the world to deal with, such as divorce and domestic violence, that we can't linger on the mere "idea" of a woman's virginity. Yes, so the woman stays a "virgin" until her wedding night. What happens when 5 months down the line, the husband decides that he does not enjoy sex with his wife. The fact that they are not compatible sexually is SO HUGE when it comes to the well being of a marriage. If you do not touch, feel, caress, and cherish every part of your girlfriend/fiance's body, how do you know that you are going to enjoy it when you do? To live strictly by the bible, one must let go of EVERY SINGLE concept that has shaped existence. There are many beliefs in the bible that we CAN'T live by, for it will interfere with everything we've ever learned. I am a Christian, and I do believe in the bible, but the idea of sitting down and disecting every single scripture just for the sake of arguing makes me want to tear my liver out and feed it to a shark. This will never end. I say, it's up to every relationship and every person to find their way in life. There is no ideal relationship that we must strive for. If my future husband is going to judge me based on decisions and mistakes in the past, then I don't think I'll ever get married. LOL This is why I choose to be single. Why do men say that women are headaches? LOL Yea, take a look in the mirror guys...you are the CAUSE of it all!

                    P.S. the last sentence was a joke. Please do not get your panties twisted.

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                    • #120
                      Originally posted by violette829
                      You know, I don't know if any of you agree with me, but I am sick and tired of people telling me what I can/can't/should/shouldn't do with my own body. What right does another HUMAN BEING with the same immoral past/present/future as I have to tell me that I'm being wrong in my choices to do what I want to/with my body. My body is a beautiful creation for ME to enjoy, and it's not up to society or anyone to tell me how to "keep it sacred"...
                      "...and he who saith "thou shalt" to me is my mortal foe!"

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