Virgin or Experienced?

[Darorinag]

Ok define "sex" ... I'm serious! We can't start discussing this unless we have a clear definition of what is virginity. In the case of a female, it's obvious: A "virgin" female has an intact hymen. What's the definition in case of a male?

Actually, a virgin is someone who hasn't been penetrated, or at least that's what I always thought... It would only apply to women and gay men, I think.. lol unless we're talking about virginity in the context of anal sex... which would still not make any sense when applied to straight men..

oops, was that too graphic?

[Anonymouse]

Virgin does not necessarily imply "penetration", it is someone who has not had sex, in this case I mean straight sex, because homosexuals were not the focus of this thread, nor the wrongness of their acts.

[hyebruin]

some definitions here:

coitus refers to heterosexual vaginal penetration in the form of a penis.

rape refers to vaginal penetration also (so any other form does not count as rape but rather sodomy!) therefore a man, by legal definition can only be sodomized, never raped!

[Darorinag]

You were talking about "virginity" in general.

Also, that's the modern definition of virginity. It doesn't reflect the traditional definitions of virginity.

Also, here's a definition of "virginity."

"The state of being pure, unsullied, or untouched."

The very fact that it's in the passive is significant. Unless of course you think of the vagina as the cover rather than the hole..

[Darorinag]

bruin, actually - the definition of rape has traditionally been something along the lines of "seizing forcefully" or "forcing" something onto another (refer to Alexander Pope's The Rape of the Lock).. Often in Victorian literature, rape was referred to as "taking away" or "seizing".. traditionally, talking about this act has been more widespread with regards to females compared to males (very little in older literature about this, if any at all), but the traditional meaning would still apply to men as well.. technically speaking, of course..

[hyebruin]

yes dan, rape is from the latin rapere --to seize..however i was referring to the u.s. legal definition here...you can also see that the legal term sodomy came from the biblical story.

[Sip]

Ok let's not lose sight of the question at hand ... anon's asking about initial sexual experiences ... hopefully nothing forced

[Darorinag]

but we're not talking about *legal* definitions. We're talking about linguistics here, and the popular application of that both historically and in modern times.

[Darorinag]

Well then, apparently he doesn't think virginity applies to gay men, so I'll shut up, I guess.

[Emil]

Great, we go from virginity to rape. What can we drift off to next?