White people dating Armenian

[TomServo]

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I knew he was going to turn it into something like this again.

[Anonymouse]

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Hey all,

A white guy here. Yup, just another white American. Could be good or bad, right? I say that because lately, I've seen beautiful Armenian women. I think women of any race can be beautiful, but I've never been exposed to Armenian culture or people. So of course, I like to try new things. So I start researching Armenia, culture, etc. I see that you are very traditional people. From what I see, you don't like dating outside your race? Why is that?

You wonder why that is, but unfortunately the answer to that question is not a simple one. When you have a country which creates a melange of the races and cultures thereby negating each other into one blob of sameness, it will be difficult to understand. You are "white" as you said, and what is that? In America, for white people it is taboo to seek self-preservation whether of kith or kin because they are seen as the boogeymen and cause of all evils that minorities like to blame usually.

I feel bad for white people of America because whatever culture they did have or had, or expressed, is castigated upon now as racism, since being white and wanting to preserve yourself are mutually exclusive things. In the 1950s, when you were "white" you were American. Now American can be a whole host of many different ethnicities and colors on the color spectrum as we dabble and baptize ourselves in the holy waters of diversity. Part of the problem is the gradual change of demographics and cultures due to the liberal immigration policies post-1960s. Whereas in the 1950s and before you had a dominance of the Anglo-American culture, now there has been a shift whereby that culture is no longer dominant nor is it popular to want to marry your own if you are white. As you already expressed in one of your posts below, it is far more enticing and exciting to date someone new or exotic or different.

After years of being subjected to the notion that being white is boring and being white is evil or that black people are cool and they bring out the latest styles that white kids follow and you're responsible for everyones problems, and you should actively try to embrace diversity and multiculturalism, it is no wonder that by this age and epoch many white people will actively believe in such things. After all, they have been hearing that since birth, from every orifice of communication - television, media and academia - that to withstand the torrents of multiculturalism post-1960s, you are evil and to want to preserve yourself is 'racist'.

And which brings me to my point. This phenomenon of boredom with thyself and and lack self-preservation of identity and culture creating prowess is only promoted in America and Europe, or what we would properly term ambiguously "Western Civilization". Outside of it, no other country or culture is crazy or suicidal enough to embrace such ideas because they realize that such ideas revolve around the alpha and omega (the beginning and the end) of civilizations. You can go to China, Korea and Japan and not once will you see those people have regrets over not accepting multiculturalism that white people have embraced. And Armenians, being in these lands of no tomorrows are subject to the same propaganda and mind-numbing that has fostered this culture of no return.

[Էլիա]

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Well, I guess an Armenian girl would date you if you followed everything Lucin said... but one thing she forgot, that would be pretty important, is the acceptance of the Armenian Genocide (if you haven't already).

[Crimson Glow]

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Crimson, I grew up in Iowa, Cedar Rapids. Perhaps you are familiar, there is a connection between the two cities. My uncle lives in Glen Ellen IL. Nice place, Chicago.

I live in Naperville, and work in Villa Park (our store moved there 2 years ago). The city itself, I don't care for. Noisy, dirty, WAY too congested, psychotic drivers (not that they're great ANYwhere, but even more so in the city), etc.

btw Crimson, I know what your avatar is! You put that light behind the dash huh? That was my first car back in 95 and I just sold another one about a year ago. They were both 90's. That's f-in awesome. Now I have an 01 Bonnie SSEi. Crazy.

Get the hell out of here! I've got a red '90 2-door, and a white '90 4 door STE turbo. That's one of the first mods people do. If you sand paper the black off the back of the inlay, and put a lightbulb in the socket right behind it, it actually has power and lights up. o.0 It's as if they had planned on doing it in the future, if production had continued. They both needed a LOT of work when I bought them. I did quite a bit on both, but still a long way to go. I also have 2 '89 Pontiac 6000 STE AWD's. Yes...I'm a bit of a Pontiac fanatic. Well, actually, I LOVE all sorts of screwed up editions of GM FWD cars from that era. However, between looking to buy a house soon, and no time or place to work on them (live in an apt. right now), I'm actually going to be selling my fleet, and buying one "normal", newer car. I was actually thinking an '04 or so Bonneville GXP. My sis just sold her '89 Buick LeSabre T-Type, and bought an '02 40th Anniversary Grand Prix GTP. Are you on any Pontiac/car forums?

By the way, you won't come across many Armenians that are into American cars, ESPECIALLY from Cali, where they've grown quite materialistic, and need to show off their status with a Beamer, or Mercedes.

[neontyper]

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Really?? Ive lived in L.A. for 4 years, and haven't been there when I went back home.

Do you live in L.A.? The best one I've been to is off the 10 in Covina. Exit Grand, left, and then right into the mini mall behind the Denny's

[Sip]

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Crimson, I grew up in Iowa, Cedar Rapids. Perhaps you are familiar...

Man that Genghis Grill right off of the 151 on the south west side of Cedar Rapids is the best damn Mongolian buffet I have ever had.

[neontyper]

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btw Crimson, I know what your avatar is! You put that light behind the dash huh? That was my first car back in 95 and I just sold another one about a year ago. They were both 90's. That's f-in awesome. Now I have an 01 Bonnie SSEi. Crazy.

[neontyper]

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Tom and Crimson, I could not agree more. I think it would not be a problem for me to ask an Armenian girl out, thank you. I completely understand Tom in that you don't have to forget your roots in order to assimilate. More in a sec...

Crimson, I grew up in Iowa, Cedar Rapids. Perhaps you are familiar, there is a connection between the two cities. My uncle lives in Glen Ellen IL. Nice place, Chicago. I agree plain jane America is what you say. In my opinion, the true America of pre-80's (1950-1980) is long gone. America used to stand for being very different, centered around the great American road trip. Even that is somewhat ruined by Interstates now. All McD's and Truck Stops. My dad tells me it used to be all like the Wig Wam Motel out in Rialto...ever seen that place on Route 66 (Foothill)? The TeePee motel? Anyway, corporations have taken over, and honestly no matter where you go it's almost identical. TGI Fridays, McDonalds, Pac Sun, JC Penney are anywhere and everywhere. The exception is the few remaining ethnic neighborhoods in various cities like NY, LA, Chi, Miami, and of course the uncomparable Las Vegas. But thats another story

Thats why I date out of my race. It's more exciting, educational, and unfamiliar. Why date the same old white bar rat lol.

[Crimson Glow]

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I agree on the speaking English part. Nothing annoys me more than immigrants who refuse to learn the language of the land that's providing them "a better life". However, that does NOT mean forget your own language, culture, history, traditions, etc. The 2 can co-exist.

Lucin -

What about, say, a 20 something Armenian girl, single, went to public school in Glendale, went off to college, now shes a regular working girl? Fully Americanized. Does she share your core values?

If she grew up in Glendale, then yes. Since the Armenian culture has a strong presence in So Cal, I'd say she would be far more reluctant to just forget about preserving the culture, versus an Armenian in say No Man's Land, Kansas.

I was born and raised in the far SW suburbs of Chicago. There are a few Armenians scattered here and there closer to the city, but where I live, you get a blank stare when you tell someone "I'm Armenian". There was only one other Armenian I ever came across in school, and he didn't know anything about the culture (3rd gen). I never had any Armenian friends growing up, nor any family outside of my immediate one. We visited Glendale once (have TONS of family in that area) back in '85, and I was blown away. I thought it was messed up that everyone seemed to be speaking Armenian. It felt like I was on another planet. Then it was back to WASP and yuppie land.

Yet, in spite of pretty much having known only Americans all my life, I still find the American pop-culture to be extremely cheap and boring. And this is coming from someone who most that know me would consider "all American" (if I don't mention my ethnicity). I've always struggled to find a way to get what I mean across to the average American, and I don't think there's a way to do it. The closest thing I've heard is when the dad in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" called them "dry toast people". There's no culture, or soul to the way of life. Just drinking with a bunch of dipsh*ts, sex, going along with the latest fashion/trends, popularizing crappy music, etc. Not that Armenians are immune to this, but this is the entire basis for the American culture.

Regardless of my situation, I've done my best to retain the language and learn about our history. And while it's very unlikely I will marry an Armenian girl due to where I live, it is absolutely mandatory that if I ever have kids, they learn the culture as well, no matter WHO I marry. I don't say this as an insult by any means, but it is virtually impossible for someone so removed from his/her ancestry to understand the importance of this, especially to a culture that is getting smaller and smaller in numbers.

[TomServo]

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neon, I think it's possible to assimilate without giving up your Armenian heritage. For example, Whittier, California, where I grew up, had a very small Armenian community. As far as I remember, it didn't even have an Armenian church. Back then it was a majority WASP city. I remember when we moved to Whittier there was only one ethnic family living on our street - another Armenian family. I befriended the Armenian kid, and soon discovered that most of his friends were WASP kids. I became friends with them too. While hanging out with them, I came to see that the Armenian community was more insular, sometimes even inconsiderate and medieval in their ways of thinking. For example, my mother thought that my white friends' parents were very irresponsible for letting them walk home from school all alone.

As for dating outside race or intermarriage: It was pretty common in Whittier. The librarian at the Whittier Public Library was married to an Anglo-American and there are people I knew who was half white or totally assimilated. My cousin went to a private school there and she said there was only one other Armenian person at the school and could not speak the language. In a city like Glendale, where the Armenian population is almost a majority, of course assimilation doesn't occur (at least not at a rapid rate).