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NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

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  • #41
    Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

    I guess we will continue the moon landing discussions here. Siggie i think the explanations provided are way too dependent on the difference in the environement between earth and the moon the guy's explanation to everything is well things are different on the moon. Sure things are different but they do not account for all the discrepencies. For as much as i hate fox news i think they had some good points which to me are not so easily explained away by the guy trying to debunk them using prety much the same explanation for everything. the difference in the environment is credited with stars becoming invisible, shadows disapearing and on and on... Also that flag waiving experiment done in a vacume is still done under the influence of the earths gravity not the moons. Yedtarts raised some questions which are not adressed (at least i didnt see it adressed) like the footprints under the lander. Kanadahye makes good points about the vacume experiment being done under earth's gravity also and he points out the movements and actions of the astronauts do not corespond to the way they would be moving in a environment with low gravity like the moon "Watch the video below... see how suspicious the second astronaut acts... trying to straighten out the flag before its even put into the ground. Also, how much do you think the astronaut putting in the flag weighs with all that equipment? 300 lbs? So if he was exerting any more than 50 lbs of force trying to put that pole into the ground, he would have started lifting off the ground himself. I don't know about you, but I need to put my entire body weight to jam a steel pole into soil let alone moon rock. If the second astronaut wanted to help, he should have held the first one down," this statement makes sence to me.
    Besides these things there is a undeniable history of the USA government misleading its own public as well as the rest of the world for many reasons. It's like looking at a known liar who has lied to your face many times and accepting his word that he will pay back the $50 he wants to borrow from you. Much of the "evidence" suporting the idea that the landing was real comes from nasa itself which has had years of time and opportunity to justify this and that and forge this and that to make its story stick. One other thing that people forget about is that the "lunar rocks" which were brought back were proven to be fakes. There seems to me too much evidence that it was a fake and the explanaitions by those trying to debunk are one explaination fits all which actually doesnt seem to fit at all, atleast definetly not all. The discovery of water on the moon lately is fairly significant i think in relation to this topic. The amount of water discovered was significant, it wasnt a few pieces of ice but a huge amount. If there is so much water there now i am pretty sure it was there back then to yet there is no mention of water nor did any of the "moon rocks" brought back contain any traces of water. Finaly i want to restate something i said in a earlier post that the technology needed for this mission simply was not there at the time. The debunker guy talks of stabilization booster rockets which would have been needed to control the landing of the shuttle, in order to do their job these rockets needed sencors to tell them how much thrust to apply when and where in a changing situation, this technology simply was not there!
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    • #42
      Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

      They were throwing around styrofoam boulders in the Star Trek series, and astronauts were keeping little genies in bottles so of course people believed that the technology existed to put men on the moon!! Not to mention they were all too wrapped up smoking dope and spreading "free love" while people were dying in the battle fields of Vietnam. Give me a break, what is still getting people safely to the international space station is old Russian technology while NASA keeps blowing ships up in the Earth's atmosphere.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #43
        Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

        I see no point discussing it until China goes to the moon, because that would confirm or deny the moon landings.

        Last edited by hipeter924; 11-25-2009, 01:13 PM.

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        • #44
          Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

          Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
          I see no point discussing it until China goes to the moon, because that would confirm or deny the moon landings.

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          They'd probably accidentally get struck by "space debris" if they even made an attempt

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          • #45
            Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

            Shuttle for sale, U.S. has nowhere to go

            If you're looking for a great lawn ornament for your science museum, NASA is offering two space shuttle orbiters for sale. They'll even deliver. Just make sure you look at the fine print on the contract. The delivery charge is $28 million and that's just to a nearby airport. At the same time, the Obama Administration is forcing NASA to re-think the way it does business, including scrapping plans to return to the Moon.

            The three remaining space shuttles are due to be retired by the end of this year, so NASA is offering them up to worthy museums which can afford to transport them atop a specially modified 747. The extraordinary cost of moving something the size of a small airliner is symbolic of the entire shuttle program. They are outrageously expensive to fly, whether it's in space or on Earth.

            Back in the 70s, they were promised to be the cheap way to space, but after two of them exploded in flight, taking 14 lives, and after countless retrofits and rebuilds, every flight of the shuttle now costs about $1.5 billion. Granted, they are the most complex machines to ever fly and have accomplished amazing feats in space, but they demonstrate how NASA has turned into a cumbersome organization that spends a lot of money to go nowhere. No private transportation company could ever operate that way.

            That's why President Obama is handing over the job of space flight to the private sector and abandoning the unaffordable goal of returning humans to the moon by 2020. This is exactly what happened to the aviation industry after the Second World War. During the war, aircraft manufacturers were churning out four-engined bombers, each with a short life expectancy and virtually no budget constraints. Afterwards, those same companies replaced the bomb bays with luggage compartments and gunner turrets with soft seats and windows. The airline industry was born once aviation was taken out of government hands. Today, flying is cheaper and just about anyone can do it.

            Several private companies are poised to take over the job of sending people to space. At the front of the line is Space-X and its Falcon 9 rocket, already sitting on a launch pad in Florida. It's set to fly this year with the goal of providing transportation for astronauts and cargo to the International Space Station.

            Second in line is Virgin Galactic, which unveiled its Spaceship Two, which will be carrying tourists on sub-orbital flights out of New Mexico within a couple of years. These, along with a slew of other rocket companies, show that the private sector is ready to take over space flight to make it cheaper and more accessible. This transition away from government should be straightforward, since rocket technology is now 50 years old.

            Of course, this leaves the U.S. astronauts with nothing to fly. In the short term, they'll be hitching rides to the Space Station aboard the Russian Soyuz capsules. Who would have thought, 50 years ago, that that would ever happen? When the private rockets are proven safe and reliable, they can ride those and if times get really tough, they can take a seat beside the Chinese, who are very determined to be the next on the Moon.

            So where does this leave NASA?

            In fact, they will have a lot of money on hand once the shuttles stop flying. That cash would be best spent doing what NASA was originally designed to do: push the frontiers of space flight. We've already been to the Moon and the Space Station is almost complete, so let's move on to better ways of going places: plasma rockets, solar sails, magnetic propulsion, even warp drive. Let the government agency take the risks while the private sector follows along later and turns it into a profitable business. It's worked in other forms of transportation; it could work in space.

            The year 2019 will be the 50th anniversary of the first human footprints on the Moon. It will be interesting to see who makes it back to Tranquility Base to celebrate that event. It may not be Americans and they probably won't get there on NASA rockets. That's a sad statement for the people who pioneered Moon travel.

            On the other hand, NASA has an opportunity to develop the technology to make the next giant leap onto Mars and beyond. ENGAGE!

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            • #46
              Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

              After 41 years of technological advances nasa can still not make it to the moon. If it is too expencive now imagine how impossible it was back then. Whoever does make it to the moon next will be the first one there but i dought it will be anything special anyways. Our moon is pretty darn boring compared to other moons and planets out there.
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