Sochi

[bell-the-cat]

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Serjik is right about the olympics being a good investment. Sochi was not much of a city but now it has modern facilities which will be used long after this event is forgotten. Yes this is investing in ones country and it is a good investment. We in Michigan invested in good ice rinks and just look at how many of these skaters train in Michigan now. I do not know much about the history of the Sochi region but any genocide is a horrible crime in my book. The western media has been mostly terrible in their coverage of these games and always tries to cast Russia in a negative way..nothing new there but Russia just laughs it off like it should. Tom is a typical western media mouthpiece..who never misses the chance to put down Russia and Armenia but like when was the last time you heard him say anything about the American indians or the Palastinians or....he is like watching cnn or snbc or cbs or fox news or...one sided, biased, misleading,... God forbid we should talk about the sporting events going on in the olympics in a thread under the sports section no lets talk genocide and do more Russia bashing...pretty sick stuff but hey some people are hardwired to be sick and nothing else.
In case anyone is interested in the actual sporting events...there were great performances in ice dancing today with new personal and all time high scores being set. Ok now you can resume your hatemongering

Given your extremist tiradesagainst capitalism, I understand your idea of what is a "good investment" might deviate from its dictionary definition. Lots of money is always made by the rich and the corrupt (and there are plenty of rich corrupt in Russia) - so undoubtedly it was a "good investment" for them. However, there is not a single Olympic Games that could seriously be classed as a good investment for the ordinary populations of any of the cities they are imposed upon.

The two-faced double-standards regarding genocide is blatant amongst some Armenians, and they actually think they can get away with those double standards (who do they think they are - Jews?)

[Haykakan]

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(who do they think they are - xxxs?)
Loved that one. Yeh capitalism does suck if it is left unattended to run its course. I love how people like Mr Nozick write books about how wonderful unfettered capitalism is since it is the ultimate expression of freedom then we watch how it takes away all of our freedoms and turns the world into a police state. Yeh thats right Adam Smith didnt see this one coming...it is just hillerious how many people including some here who see capitalism as a law of nature or something. I do believe that when it is all said and done these games would have a long lasting positive effect on Sochi and its residents. Some of these sport complexes will become training centers which will be used for decades and all the attention generated by this event can bring back tourists. Despite all the negativity in the western media it seems the overall sentiment of the tourists is positive and this will mean repeat business. It will be interesting to revisit Sochi in another four years and observe how these games impacted the city.

[TomServo]

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The two-faced double-standards regarding genocide is blatant amongst some Armenians, and they actually think they can get away with those double standards (who do they think they are - Jews?)

Watch out bell, that's not something a Western media mouthpiece is supposed to say.

[TomServo]

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Despite all the negativity in the western media it seems the overall sentiment of the tourists is positive and this will mean repeat business. It will be interesting to revisit Sochi in another four years and observe how these games impacted the city.

Let's see. Perhaps tourists from Russia and Armenia will begin traveling to Sochi and the Russian Black Sea coast rather than Sharm el-Sheikh or Turkey (but I wouldn't bet on it).

[hipeter924]

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There's definitely mudslinging from Western journalists but I wish they'd concentrate their attacks more on the whitewashing of the city's Abkhaz and Circassian history rather than construction problems and lousy service from hotels and restaurants.

I would also like to learn about what Sochi's actual residents (rather than foreigners or outsiders) think about its status as host city.

Most Westerners don't even follow the Winter Olympics, instead the Summer Olympics get most of the spotlight. It just so happens that Russia has made it high profile through huge budget blowouts over construction and preparations, also Russian lawmakers made the mistake of passing controversial anti-homosexual propaganda laws too close to the games. It probably would have passed without problems, if those two major issues weren't present. Sochi was a mess, and I am guessing after the games heads are going to roll in the IOC and Russia.

[Haykakan]

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Yeh hip you are right-iasked my class of 38 students if they were watching the olympics and none of them were watching. Kind of sad. I been grading papers today and have not been able to watch the events..anything interesting happen today at the games?

[Serjik]

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Oh you really put me in my place with your cartoons, your such a grown up LOL

Yeah ok bro go ahead and show me what respected journalists and plethora of news orgs you've been reading and i bet EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL BE WESTERN SOURCES. And show me where Putin's fat friends have been the benefiting from money spent and show me what large scale project you are comparing sochi to. You say you are an engineer so show me. I bet sochi projects was more cost effective that any comparable western project. Sochi money was very well spent. While you were acting like a tough internet warrior and whatnot I was in sochi last SUMMER and no one in my family could believe the number of massive construction going on even in Adler the Armenian town not far from sochi. literally HUNDREDS of construction sites in all of krasnodar region. Newly built buildings, parks, hotels, stadiums, restaurants, training facilities and monuments there there will be used for many generations and used to bring back to russia their athletes and trainers that were lost to the west during the past 20 years. A great boost to tourism also, we saw many western european tourists even last summer. My advice to you bro, stop poisoning your mind with with a PLETHORA OF WESTERN PROPAGANDA ORGANS. LOL Not impressed by you at all. You say you are an engineer? Please let us know what you built so we can stay away from it LOL

Your Armericahay tomservo friend's and your all of a sudden love for barbaric cirassian is idiotic and shows how intellectually backward american diasporans are. Cant believe armos like you still exist. Wake up braniak no one promotes genocides but its a dog eat dog world out there if you dont eat them whey will eat you. Circassians were barbaric blood hungry tribes like chechens and they were treated badly by russians and THANK GOD FOR THAT. So why didnt Russians do the same with armenians, abkhaz, osets, ajars, dagestanis, legins, gruzi or other tribes? Use your brain and THINK. By bringing up circassian story you are like an idiot siding with turks, muslims and western politicians against russians. Like I said bro im NOT impressed by you AT ALL. Ask your newly found cat friend about how many millions his empire killed around the world and also ask americans, spanish, japanese, french and germans the same question. Discuss their genocides and forget what russians did to a bunch of head cutting animals. TOO BAD RUSSIANS DIDNT DO WAY WITH CHECHENS, TATARS, AZERIS AND TURKs. Keep worrying about justice when in the world might makes right and just continue bending over to fast talkin US politicians every april 24 and see what that gets you other than a sore butt LOL

What riseofrussia logic you talking about the blog? You hallucinating? Im big fan of that blog I read it every month because that place has real patriots and intellectuals but I have my own personal logic on the world. You just keep repeating what you hear on tv the real brainwashed is you.

PS: Someone say gay rights? Hey, many of america's arab friends in the middle east (you know who they are) behead gays in public, why isnt that in the news 24/7? I totally support Russia's ban on gay parades and propaganda. What weirdos do in their homes is no ones business but just dont bring it out in public and expect EVERYONE to be ok with it. We need patriotism and conservatism because liberalism is getting way out of control. US is becoming a afro-judeo-homo fascist state.

lol aper only you are able to make me respect the views of bell
Maybe we should have a contest and see how many of the following you use in your argument: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kevintang/ch...r-bs-arguments immediately, number 2 comes to mind. America having wasted money on a war had nothing to do with this. I don't understand why that's your fallback point regardless of what the issue being debated is.. Whether America wasted money or not has nothing to do with the fact that money was wasted in Sochi.

Was I there to see it? No, but I also wasn't there 10,000 years ago, but I have the good sense to trust scientists and evolution over the beliefs of bible thumping rednecks and creationism, in the same manner I have the good sense to trust respected journalists from a plethora of sources. lol Putin knows? ya he knows what its like to feed his fat friends. I don't get my news just from CNN, i get it from every news site, and from every basic principle of construction which clearly shows they built things that could have been built with a fraction of the cost, anywhere in the world, no matter what riseofrussia brainwashed logic you try to use on me.

The level of hypocrisy and logical fallacy in everything you have to say in mind blowing. No I don't suddenly care about Circassians and Chechens. I've always cared. I don't understand how you differentiate the genocide and expulsion of a voiceless people with that of the Armenians. I don't care what islamic brainwashing has done to them in their desperate attempt to have their own homeland. It's not Western propaganda, if anything its the Iranian propaganda I grew up with that enables to see the struggle of people like them and Palestinians who just want to have a country to call their own. It's unbelievable to me that you cheer on the Genocide of other people while simultaneously crying about the Armenian Genocide.

[Haykakan]

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Russia lost to Finland today and is out of medal contention. The first Finnish goal was because of a lucky bounce but the rest of the game was Finland having a better game plan and playing better together. Finland goes on to face Sweden in a rematch of previous gold medal game. No sport is more exciting then Olympic hockey and it will be fun to watch the rest of these games if i can. Teemu Selanne is amazing at age 43 he is still a difference maker for his team. He is an amazing athlete the likes of which i am not sure if we have seen before.

[TomServo]

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Oh, how dare the Circassians and Chechens resist the Russian empire's annexation and colonization of their lands instead of laying out the krasnyi carpet, Serjik. Give me a break.

And the Russians did do the same with many of the "other tribes" you listed but the Circassians got the worst of it.

The West and even Turkey hasn't really done much when it comes to the Circassian issue because, like you, they are afraid of upsetting Russia. They will bring it up once in a while as a way to undermine Moscow (just like how they do with the Armenian Genocide when relations happen to be strained with Turkey) but it's mostly been the Circassians themselves at the forefront.

[Serjik]

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You people have very little perception abilities. If russians did not do away with those barbaric islamic tribes that whole region also the caucasus would not support a christian armenian population. Even with all that what russians did was no way near what westerners done in other places. That area would be so much better for civilized people like armenians if no islamic turkic tribe existed. Your brainless selfhating americahay nonsense makes me sick to my stomach.

Oh, how dare the Circassians and Chechens resist the Russian empire's annexation and colonization of their lands instead of laying out the krasnyi carpet, Serjik. Give me a break.

And the Russians did do the same with many of the "other tribes" you listed but the Circassians got the worst of it.

The West and even Turkey hasn't really done much when it comes to the Circassian issue because, like you, they are afraid of upsetting Russia. They will bring it up once in a while as a way to undermine Moscow (just like how they do with the Armenian Genocide when relations happen to be strained with Turkey) but it's mostly been the Circassians themselves at the forefront.