Flat Earth/Heliocentrism

[Siggie]

You forgot to mention the most important ones; the pedophile & political factors.

My first source is; visit Armenia and you'll be assured that this is a common belief there.

Welcome, but please don't talk about homosexuals the way you are doing here.

If I go to Armenia, I'll see it's a common belief? That's your evidence? That's what you offer to support your assertion that the majority are victims of abuse (either in prisons, the military, or at the hands of "rich pedophiles)?

You do realize that fact isn't determined by the number of people who believe that right? It's like I'm watching the news lately with their ridiculous irrelevant polls. If 70% of people believed in the tooth fairy, it wouldn't make it any more or less real. People in history were still wrong when the majority of them believed the Earth was flat or that the sun revolved around the sun.

[KanadaHye]

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If I go to Armenia, I'll see it's a common belief? That's your evidence? That's what you offer to support your assertion that the majority are victims of abuse (either in prisons, the military, or at the hands of "rich pedophiles)?

You do realize that fact isn't determined by the number of people who believe that right? It's like I'm watching the news lately with their ridiculous irrelevant polls. If 70% of people believed in the tooth fairy, it wouldn't make it any more or less real. People in history were still wrong when the majority of them believed the Earth was flat or that the sun revolved around the sun.

Well what Gegev claims is fact but you will never find studies on it.

This flat Earth crap was a 20th century hoax. You seem to be of the type that thinks there was no evidence of the Earth being round until man reached space and proved it. The fact is the ancient Greeks not only professed that the Earth was round but they calculated the diameter rather accurately.

[Siggie]

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Well what Gegev claims is fact but you will never find studies on it.

This flat Earth crap was a 20th century hoax. You seem to be of the type that thinks there was no evidence of the Earth being round until man reached space and proved it. The fact is the ancient Greeks not only professed that the Earth was round but they calculated the diameter rather accurately.

You seem to just look for anything, no matter how trivial or irrelevant to the point, that you might (mis)construe as incorrect. As if some irrelevancy that's not quite correct changes the larger point. Go right ahead, but it's not paying off today. I said the majority of people in history. Do you want to assert that at no point in history did the majority of people believe the Earth was flat? That statement, as is, is accurate. I do know a good bit of science history. I know that there were some who posited a round Earth in Ancient Greece. There were also extremely close estimates of the circumference and mass of the Earth pretty early on and without advanced instrumentation. None of that changes my point...

The number of people who believe something does not make it more or less true. Reality is not determined by popular belief or voting.

In Turkey, most people believe there was no genocide of Armenians. In Azerbaijan, the majority of people believe that their lands were never part of Armenia (or whatever cockamamie thing they believe). Clearly, you would not be convinced that their beliefs are accurate simply because the majority of their people subscribe to them right?

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

You seem to just look for anything, no matter how trivial or irrelevant to the point, that you might (mis)construe as incorrect. As if some irrelevancy that's not quite correct changes the larger point. Go right ahead, but it's not paying off today. I said the majority of people in history. Do you want to assert that at no point in history did the majority of people believe the Earth was flat? That statement, as is, is accurate. I do know a good bit of science history. I know that there were some who posited a round Earth in Ancient Greece. There were also extremely close estimates of the circumference and mass of the Earth pretty early on and without advanced instrumentation. None of that changes my point...

Sure it does, you have no basis in stating that most people believed the Earth was flat when they were taught and knew it was round. Like I said, the idea of people believing that the Earth was ever flat was a 20th century myth.

The number of people who believe something does not make it more or less true. Reality is not determined by popular belief or voting.

In Turkey, most people believe there was no genocide of Armenians. In Azerbaijan, the majority of people believe that their lands were never part of Armenia (or whatever cockamamie thing they believe). Clearly, you would not be convinced that their beliefs are accurate simply because the majority of their people subscribe to them right?

Most educated people in Turkey (those that have worldly education) know very well that there was a genocide. It's the state and the government teaching that teaches a different history so anyone that hasn't developed past a high school education probably won't advance their views any further.

[Siggie]

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Sure it does, you have no basis in stating that most people believed the Earth was flat when they were taught and knew it was round. Like I said, the idea of people believing that the Earth was ever flat was a 20th century myth.



Most educated people in Turkey (those that have worldly education) know very well that there was a genocide. It's the state and the government teaching that teaches a different history so anyone that hasn't developed past a high school education probably won't advance their views any further.

Do you believe facts are determined by the number of people who think it fact? If the answer to this question is 'no' then stop it with the contrarian disagreement for the sake of disagreeing with something and distracting from the point.

[KanadaHye]

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Do you believe facts are determined by the number of people who think it fact? If the answer to this question is 'no' then stop it with the contrarian disagreement for the sake of disagreeing with something and distracting from the point.

If a tree falls down in the forest and nobody is around to see or hear it, is it still a fact? I'm disagreeing because the argument you're using makes it sound like prior to the American Empire and its minions taking over the world, majority of people believed the Earth was flat. History reveals the Church never taught a flat Earth and the bible doesn't teach a flat Earth.

[Siggie]

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I see you are a great scientist and you indirectly claim the opposite. And you are talking only on scientific terms. But I don’t want to listen/consider you sci-entific findings/propaganda on that.

So you have nothing to offer when I point out the illogical argument you made and so you want to take issue with me being a scientist. Got it, thanks!

If a tree falls down in the forest and nobody is around to see or hear it, is it still a fact? I'm disagreeing because the argument you're using makes it sound like prior to the American Empire and its minions taking over the world, majority of people believed the Earth was flat. History reveals the Church never taught a flat Earth and the bible doesn't teach a flat Earth.

So, you don't disagree with the point I was making, but just one of the examples I used to try to illustrate that point. Not because it doesn't support the point, but rather because it "makes it sound" a certain way. If that's your issue, then go start another thread and rant about how widespread the belief in a flat Earth was at various points in history or what the church did or didn't teach regarding the shape of the Earth.

[KanadaHye]

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So, you don't disagree with the point I was making, but just one of the examples I used to try to illustrate that point. Not because it doesn't support the point, but rather because it "makes it sound" a certain way. If that's your issue, then go start another thread and rant about how widespread the belief in a flat Earth was at various points in history or what the church did or didn't teach regarding the shape of the Earth.

Have you been eating those special brownies again?

[Siggie]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Have you been eating those special brownies again?

Attempting humor at the expense of the poster rather than making a substantive comment again?

[Sip]

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History reveals the Church never taught a flat Earth and the bible doesn't teach a flat Earth.

But they did lock you up or torture you if you said something stupid like the earth goes around the sun I mean even to this day the church loves to insist on Creationism! People actually want it taught in schools!!!!