Flat Earth/Heliocentrism

[KanadaHye]

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But they did lock you up or torture you if you said something stupid like the earth goes around the sun I mean even to this day the church loves to insist on Creationism! People actually want it taught in schools!!!!

Does science actually teach that the Earth revolves around the sun? I don't know where you and Siggie get your science knowledge from but it's not from text books.

[Siggie]

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Does science actually teach that the Earth revolves around the sun? I don't know where you and Siggie get your science knowledge from but it's not from text books.

Science is not an entity therefore it's not teaching anyone anything. Clarify what it is that you're asking because it doesn't make sense. Are you asking whether it is accepted fact that the Earth revolves around the sun?
Ugh! I hate these tangents, but you say some crazy sh!t that I can't let go sometimes... I'm splitting it off from this thread. Go reply over there and resume talking about homosexuality here.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Science is not an entity therefore it's not teaching anyone anything. Clarify what it is that you're asking because it doesn't make sense. Are you asking whether it is accepted fact that the Earth revolves around the sun?
Ugh! I hate these tangents, but you say some crazy sh!t that I can't let go sometimes... I'm splitting it off from this thread. Go reply over there and resume talking about homosexuality here.

I'm saying someone with 20/21st century science education would never, ever claim the Earth revolves around the Sun. The Sun and the Earth orbit each other. It's just that the Earth's gravitational pull compared to the Sun is so small that it has virtually no effect on the motion of the Sun. The Sun might be at the centre of the solar system but it isn't the centre. The gravitational forces of each planet affect each other so at any given time, the centre of the solar system is changing.

[Sip]

Re: Flat Earth/Heliocentrism

I am going to take a shot of tequilla tonight in your honor kanada for the post you just made.

[Siggie]

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I'm saying someone with 20/21st century science education would never, ever claim the Earth revolves around the Sun. The Sun and the Earth orbit each other. It's just that the Earth's gravitational pull compared to the Sun is so small that it has virtually no effect on the motion of the Sun. The Sun might be at the centre of the solar system but it isn't the centre. The gravitational forces of each planet affect each other so at any given time, the centre of the solar system is changing.

Yes, everything exerts gravitational pull proportional to its mass on everything else. In the end, the Earth does orbit the sun.
What shape is the solar system? It's not something you can map and say "why it's a circle, so there's the geometric center there." It doesn't make sense to refer to it that way.

[bell-the-cat]

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History reveals the Church never taught a flat Earth and the bible doesn't teach a flat Earth.

What does this "history reveal" say about what the Church and the Bible DID teach about the shape of the Earth? They taught nothing at all about it, I expect.

[bell-the-cat]

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Do you believe facts are determined by the number of people who think it fact? If the answer to this question is 'no' then stop it with the contrarian disagreement for the sake of disagreeing with something and distracting from the point.

Most people don't think. They didn't in the past, they don't in the present, they won't in the future. So it would never occur to them to even start thinking about the shape of the earth, far less come to a belief that it is flat or round.

Until some people in the most intelligent part of the world started to look around, free from the blinkers of religion, science had no idea about geology or earth sciences. People didn't know how mountains were formed, how land was built up and worn down over millions of years, how landscapes were formed by volcanic action, or by glaciation. But it was far worse than that. The evidence was there in front of their eyes - all they had to do was look and wonder why, but NONE of them did! Not once over thousands of years - thousands of millions of humans going through their entire lives looking at the world but not really seeing it (and they were humans living mostly, so modern dogma would say, far "closer to nature" than we do - proof that mere proximity to a thing does not lead to an understanding of that thing). They must have seen nothing because it never occured to them to think about the things that surrounded them. The blind ignorance of the human race is astonishing.

[Sip]

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I'm saying someone with 20/21st century science education would never, ever claim the Earth revolves around the Sun. The Sun and the Earth orbit each other. It's just that the Earth's gravitational pull compared to the Sun is so small that it has virtually no effect on the motion of the Sun. The Sun might be at the centre of the solar system but it isn't the centre. The gravitational forces of each planet affect each other so at any given time, the centre of the solar system is changing.

By the way I didn't want to rain on your parade as that was a pretty good post but post Einstein scientists wouldn't really refer to it as a "gravitational pull" or "force" either as the curved-space-time theory that Einstein proposed to explain things is a much better (and testable) explanation of how gravity works than this magical Newtonian "pull" force.

But still, I will have that tequilla shot

[KanadaHye]

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Most people don't think. They didn't in the past, they don't in the present, they won't in the future. So it would never occur to them to even start thinking about the shape of the earth, far less come to a belief that it is flat or round.

Until some people in the most intelligent part of the world started to look around, free from the blinkers of religion, science had no idea about geology or earth sciences. People didn't know how mountains were formed, how land was built up and worn down over millions of years, how landscapes were formed by volcanic action, or by glaciation. But it was far worse than that. The evidence was there in front of their eyes - all they had to do was look and wonder why, but NONE of them did! Not once over thousands of years - thousands of millions of humans going through their entire lives looking at the world but not really seeing it (and they were humans living mostly, so modern dogma would say, far "closer to nature" than we do - proof that mere proximity to a thing does not lead to an understanding of that thing). They must have seen nothing because it never occured to them to think about the things that surrounded them. The blind ignorance of the human race is astonishing.

You mean until it was narrated to them on the discovery channel?!?!

[Siggie]

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Most people don't think. They didn't in the past, they don't in the present, they won't in the future. So it would never occur to them to even start thinking about the shape of the earth, far less come to a belief that it is flat or round.

Until some people in the most intelligent part of the world started to look around, free from the blinkers of religion, science had no idea about geology or earth sciences. People didn't know how mountains were formed, how land was built up and worn down over millions of years, how landscapes were formed by volcanic action, or by glaciation. But it was far worse than that. The evidence was there in front of their eyes - all they had to do was look and wonder why, but NONE of them did! Not once over thousands of years - thousands of millions of humans going through their entire lives looking at the world but not really seeing it (and they were humans living mostly, so modern dogma would say, far "closer to nature" than we do - proof that mere proximity to a thing does not lead to an understanding of that thing). They must have seen nothing because it never occured to them to think about the things that surrounded them. The blind ignorance of the human race is astonishing.

Good point. Did you know "they" also lost the first (two?) dinosaur bone(s) discovered? They didn't think anything of it.

By the way I didn't want to rain on your parade as that was a pretty good post but post Einstein scientists wouldn't really refer to it as a "gravitational pull" or "force" either as the curved-space-time theory that Einstein proposed to explain things is a much better (and testable) explanation of how gravity works than this magical Newtonian "pull" force.

But still, I will have that tequilla shot

Yes, that's why it doesn't make sense what he said about both the Sun and Earth orbiting each other. The Sun sufficiently warps spacetime that the other planets are always "falling towards it" (thus orbiting).

Wasn't it last month that NASA obtained evidence of the curvature of spacetime caused by Earth's gravity, thus supporting relativity. Not that it was in doubt... it's the only thing that fits with the laws we've observed and it's been supported by new observation previously (just a step removed).