Armenia and Byzantium

[garod]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

No, you don't need my permission. I was simply trying to see the logic behind it. I guess there was none. Why am I not surprised...

You can continue to your sentence. I just wanted to write and share. It is not important for me that logical or not. I am not wall as you and live and do everything how I feel and want.

I don't say that Turks who prefered to belong Islam and then converted to Christianity.I do not insist on It is right or wrong. There are also Gregorian Turks and according to another article some of them were Armenianizated.Some surnames as Demirjian,Koçaryan,Boyaciyan have got Turkish roots;clothes,folks,musics,foods,beliefs,some signs on graves are so similiar according to research in mentioned article.Also article mention that they haven't got any aim.Here is link :http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:t...lnk&cd=1&gl=tr

Anyway I let you with your topic.

[freakyfreaky]

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Movie entitled "East of Byzantium" to be featured as part of Hamazkayin fundraiser. http://www.ArmenianCalendar.com/?showevent=1659

http://www.eastofbyzantium.com/

[Mos]

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One similarity is the head covering that the priests wear of Armenian churches which is very similar to the Byzantine ones.

[AR MENIA]

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Good posts Armenian! (y)

[RSNATION]

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Good posts Armenian! (y)

I agree.

[Behelit]

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At various times Byzantine-Armenian relations could be described as cordial and cooperative, however, at other times they were quite hostile. The large Armenian contingents within the Imperial army and their officers, who were of Armenian nobility, were often accused by the Byzantines of having their allegiances elsewhere and thus, considered unreliable. Concurrently, severe theological disputes further strained relations at various times. The theological disputes primarily stemmed from the almost fanatical desire or obsession of the Byzantine Orthodox Church to incorporate the national church of Armenia which belonged to the eastern branch of Orthodoxy and was considered heretical by the Byzantine Church. As Armenian nationalists stubbornly held on to their national sovereignty the situation between the two principal Christian peoples of the Byzantine Empire worsened incrementally.

Sorry but this look very negative ... let's not forget :

In 571 the Byzentium came in help to Armenia against the Persians who invaded Armenia.

In 837 Byzentium fight the Arabs in Armenia.

1067 , Kars is "given" to the Byzentine Empire to defend it against the Seldjouks.

Too bad Byzantium and Armenia had religious disagreements.Religion played a too big part in Costantinopolis to be ruled correctly.

13. Vasily (Basil) the II Bulgaroboyts (Bulgar Slayer) 976-1025.

Βουλγαροκτόνος was really the best Byzantine ruler.

[Armenian]

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Behelit, pay attention to what I wrote. I said at 'certain' periods. During the 11 century in particular Byzantines were attempting to ethnically cleanse Armenia of Armenians. That genocidal agenda, instigated by the Greek Orthodox clergy for most part because Armenians would not accept Greek Orthodoxy, was the fundamental reason why Armenia was weakened to a point that it could not present a unified force against Seljuk forces that had just appeared in the reigon. When Byzantium and Armenia cooperated the region was an impregnable fortress.

Sorry but this look very negative ... let's not forget :

In 571 the Byzentium came in help to Armenia against the Persians who invaded Armenia.

In 837 Byzentium fight the Arabs in Armenia.

1067 , Kars is "given" to the Byzentine Empire to defend it against the Seldjouks.

No, not correct. The region in question, as well as the royal capitol city of Ani were given to the Byzantines because of Byzantium's decades long agenda to acquire those lands by force and/or blackmail. Byzantine Greek at the time were even encouraging Seljuks to attack Armenia from the east, to quicken the hand over. Armenian nobility could not stand up to the Byzantnes and the Seljuks at the same time, do they "gave" it to the Byzantines. And without Armenian military participation, the Byzantines were not able to protect the lands in question. Read the history. This is a very sad and upsetting time period for Armenians, and eventually Greeks as well. It is also very complex. However, I suggest you read non-Greek sources.

Too bad Byzantium and Armenia had religious disagreements.Religion played a too big part in Costantinopolis to be ruled correctly.

You are right. Theological and administrative disputes played a big role. Even today the Greek Church considers the Armenian Church heretical.

Βουλγαροκτόνος was really the best Byzantine ruler.

He certainly was. However, my favorite was Heraclius, also said to be of Armenian decent.

[Selpak]

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According to Stepanos Asoghik Armenians helped Turks against Byzantium when Turks try to get into Anatolia. Long part of Ottoman Empire was the one of the best stabile time period of Armenians.

[Armenian]

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According to Stepanos Asoghik Armenians helped Turks against Byzantium when Turks try to get into Anatolia. Long part of Ottoman Empire was the one of the best stabile time period of Armenians.

Sadly, you are right to a certain extent. Both Armenians and Greeks helped Seljuks fight Byzantine authority in Anatolia. Thereafter, it was easy for Asiatic Turks to assimilate the native population in Anatolia, which mostly constituted of Greeks. That is why today Turks are for a large part genetically similar to Greeks. However, you Turks are living proof of what happens when brotherly nations do not cooperate. I raise this historic issue regarding Byzantium so that we Armenians and Greeks can learn from our past mistakes. So realize that you Turks were more-or-less 'allowed' into Anatolia by the disgruntled natives. Had Greeks and Armenians presented unified front, there would be no Turkey and Azerbaijan today. Yes, Byzantine Armenian relations were bad at certain points in history. At other points, however, they were very good. And when they were good, Anatolia was an impregnable Christian fortress. And take your "Ottoman Empire was the one of the best stabile time period of Armenians" and shove it up your ass.

I rather have an enemy like Greeks than a friend like Turks.

[Kanki]

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I rather have an enemy like Greeks than a friend like Turks.

An interesting approach