Armenia and Byzantium

[Armenian]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

one incident cant be generalized to label all greek clergy men as iarrogants..both side could have its misinterprations on the matter to beginwith....

OK, that's very nice. Now go out and find Greek "clergy men" that recognize and/or respect the Armenian Church.

[Armenian]

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It seems that the Greek clergymen think they are the top Christians in jerusalem or something. I agree, both sides should realize how childish and non Christian their behavior is, I mean what they are fighting over is so marginal really.

Byzantine mentalities...

[Armanen]

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It seems that the Greek clergymen think they are the top Christians in jerusalem or something. I agree, both sides should realize how childish and non Christian their behavior is, I mean what they are fighting over is so marginal really.

[Armenian]

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I don't know whether to laugh or to cry, but this is pathetic and embarrassing.

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Armenian and Greek clergymen scuffle in Jerusalem

Armenian clergymen and laymen engaged in a scuffle with Greek Orthodox clergymen during the Holy Palm Sunday ceremony in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem on April 20. According to participants of the ceremony, a Greek clergyman, who, according to the status-quo, has no right to be present in the site of the Holy Sepulchre during the Armenian procession, was present there and as a result was forced out. The Israeli Police was quick to respond by calling tens of their men in order to allow the Greek clergyman to return to his post, an action which led to deterioration of the situation. Two Armenians were arrested once the procession was over, which led to a protest by the Armenians in front of the police station (next to the Armenian Convent of St. James) till the two were released. Meanwhile, one of participants of the ceremony, Apo Sahagian told PanARMENIAN.Net that “when the Armenian priests entered Christ’s grave (which is part of the sermon) they were surprised to see an Israeli cop and a Greek priest.” “While the Greek priest left the grave, a struggle broke out between the cop (whom called backup) and the Armenian clergyman and civilians. The police did use violence against the clergyman, and did threaten many civilians during the scuffle. Many Armenian clergymen and civilians intervened to end the fight, which they successfully did. However, the police still threatened to arrest the Armenians, especially many young men,” Apo Sahagian said in his message. He said he and his father Serop Sahagian “were taken into custody and were released after one and a half hours of interrogation.”

Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=25807

[Armenian]

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Interesting point. Actually, some Jews do look like Armenians, in my opinion. So, could this (what you mentioned above) possibly be a reason why some Jews look like Armenians???

Setting aside the inbred and/or the mixed ones amongst them, most ethnically pure Jews look 'very' Armenian. This is because their ancestors originated in Asia Minor and are related to Hittites, Hurrians and perhaps the Kurds. I will post a thread in the "intellectual" section that addresses this topic.

This isn't the topic of the thread, which was supposed to Armenia/Byzantium and then somehow derailed into Turkish hygeneic practices. Even if you think the ancient Hebrews weren't Semitic and were in fact Armenian-related (something I think is not quite true, although Abraham did originate from southeastern Mesopotamia), there can be no denying that the Hebrews who wrote the text of the Old Testament were culturally Semitic and the Hebrew language is of course Semitic. These people had pretty strict rules on hygeine, as did the ancient Indus and Nile civilizations. The fact that the Turks of the present day have awful hygeinic practices may have more to do with Islam. Ironically, Islam demands "washing" of the bottom, but if this is done in a minimalist ceremonial way (such as wiping with a thin wet piece of paper and then not washing the hands), this is much dirtier than more civilized people who's religion may not make such "cleanliness" demands but who are much more thorough due to questions of health and frank disgust. As for xxxs for Jesus - I am not one of them. xxxs for Jesus are former xxxs who converted to Christianity. And yes, they exist, as I've met several of them.

You are right. This thread is not the place for this discussion. I will post a thread addressing the topic regarding Hebrew origins. And I was being metaphorical when I said Protestants are Jews for Jesus. In my opinion, Protestants do not have within their understanding of Christianity any of the pre-Christian theosophies that have shaped the traditional Churches. As a result, Protestants derive their theosophies exclusively from Hebraic tradition which makes them very 'Judaic' in faith. I am no fan of Protestants, especially the American denominations of the faith, but I like you

[Merv]

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Armanen, he is not going to be in tuned to what you are saying. Although Merv is Serbian by ethnicity, he is protestant by faith. Protestants are essentially Jews - for Jesus. I hope Merv does not take offense to what I just said. Nonetheless, Biblical Hebrews were most probably descents of Anatolian Hubaru and Hurri tribes. This fact is attested to by early Hebrew sacred folklore placing their ethno-genesis more-or-less in the Armenian Highlands. Modern Jews are not direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.

This isn't the topic of the thread, which was supposed to Armenia/Byzantium and then somehow derailed into Turkish hygeneic practices. Even if you think the ancient Hebrews weren't Semitic and were in fact Armenian-related (something I think is not quite true, although Abraham did originate from southeastern Mesopotamia), there can be no denying that the Hebrews who wrote the text of the Old Testament were culturally Semitic and the Hebrew language is of course Semitic. These people had pretty strict rules on hygeine, as did the ancient Indus and Nile civilizations. The fact that the Turks of the present day have awful hygeinic practices may have more to do with Islam. Ironically, Islam demands "washing" of the bottom, but if this is done in a minimalist ceremonial way (such as wiping with a thin wet piece of paper and then not washing the hands), this is much dirtier than more civilized people who's religion may not make such "cleanliness" demands but who are much more thorough due to questions of health and frank disgust.

As for xxxs for Jesus - I am not one of them. xxxs for Jesus are former xxxs who converted to Christianity. And yes, they exist, as I've met several of them.

[Lucin]

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Nonetheless, Biblical Hebrews were most probably descents of Anatolian Hubaru and Hurri tribes. This fact is attested to by early Hebrew sacred folklore placing their ethno-genesis more-or-less in the Armenian Highlands...

Interesting point. Actually, some Jews do look like Armenians, in my opinion. So, could this (what you mentioned above) possibly be a reason why some Jews look like Armenians???

[Armanen]

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In the Indian cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa in the Indus River valley in modern Pakistan (1500 - 2000 B.C.), all the cities had sewage systems in place.

I am aware of that, and I think it is ironic how the people living in those lands 3000 years later are less hygenic.

[Armenian]

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the hebrews were semites, the j**s now are no more related to the hebrews than the Italians are to the Romans.

Armanen, he is not going to be in tuned to what you are saying. Although Merv is Serbian by ethnicity, he is protestant by faith. Protestants are essentially Jews - for Jesus. I hope Merv does not take offense to what I just said. Nonetheless, Biblical Hebrews were most probably descents of Anatolian Hubaru and Hurri tribes. This fact is attested to by early Hebrew sacred folklore placing their ethno-genesis more-or-less in the Armenian Highlands. Modern Jews are not direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.

[Merv]

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the hebrews were semites, the j**s now are no more related to the hebrews than the Italians are to the Romans.

While that may or may not be the case, the religious laws I mentioned were obeyed in 1400 B.C. by Hebrews, who were definitely Semites. Also, if you read the book of Exodus of the Bible, you will see that Egyptians were so cleanly they looked down on Hebrews as dirty shepherd people and refused to eat with them. So, by no means were Middle Eastern practices historically unhygeneic (relatively speaking, of course). In the Indian cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa in the Indus River valley in modern Pakistan (1500 - 2000 B.C.), all the cities had sewage systems in place.

As I said before, perhaps its a Muslim thing. Do Copts, Assyrians and other Middle Eastern non-Muslims have equally unhygeneic practices? My suspicion would be that they are likely cleaner.