Why couldn't Armenians....

[SoyElTurco]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

The Turkish government is very discriminatory towards 'dhimmis', just admit it.

... there's nothing wrong with that; our religion allows us to discriminate. but we can't deprive non-muslims of their rights, except for satanists and atheists. and according one of the four Islamic legal schools, we are allowed to deprive the rights from people of religions that came after Islam, e.g. Mormonism, Sikhism, Rastafarians, Bahaii's, Ahmadiyas, etc.....

[Armanen]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

Maybe because too many mistake the terms mongoloid and mongol. This is similar to turkic and turkish.

[Armenian]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

There were even Armenians at the Mongol Imperial court who served as doctors, translators and even as clergy to the Christian members of the Mongol imperial family.

In a certain historical sense one can equate the Bolshevik/Communist empire to that of the Mongol empire. As a matter of fact, in their rhetoric some Western governments, the Third Reich in particular, also equated the Mongols to the Bolsheviks, not just in a sociological sense but also in a geopolitical sense. Nonetheless, I think the Mongols have not been properly assessed and appreciated by us Armenians. Few Armenians seem to be aware that at times Mongol and Armenian armies fought side-by-side against enemies, both Christian and Muslim. Considering the fact that they were, relatively speaking, close to Armenians and they ravaged Turkic peoples throughout the region Armenians today reflect very negatively on Mongols, even going as far as equating them to Turks. I never understood why this is.

[Armanen]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

There were even Armenians at the Mongol Imperial court who served as doctors, translators and even as clergy to the Christian members of the Mongol imperial family.

[Armenian]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

The Mongols conquered Armenia and pillaged much of it so we did suffer a lot from them.

They did not do anything to Armenia that other invading armies like the Romans, Persians, Assyrians, Arabs, Byzantines had not done before... Yes, Mongols were ruthless towards those that opposed them, wiping out entire cities that attempted to fight back. But they were also very loyal towards those that allied with them. They were great administrators and warriors and they also allowed free trade and freedom of religion. Something we Armenians also seem to forget is that Mongols were the scourge of Turks throughout Eurasia, they were allied to Cilician Armenia and for a time period a portion of them were even converted to Christianity... History has not treated the Mongols in a fair light.

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[Palavra]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

Yeah, by backstabbing, murdering, raping, and robing your friends in order to get ahead. Sorry, Armenians have class about it; they fight their enemies face to face and hold no pretenses of "friendship".

Well. History is full of backstabbing murdering raping ext.

By the way arent armenians also backstabed each other at past? So It is funny to claim armenians have honour when they are attacking each other..

Anyway when It comes to friendship, A friendship cannot survive forever and It is not broken by only ottomans. did not armenians try to kill patisah of ottomans? So how is this friendship..

In terms of a nation, Christianity is not expansionist in the same why that you are thinking.

Realy? so what about crusaders and christian kings or lords who attack other nonchristians.. Muslim countries attacked other countries(like all countries at past.) but Muslims did not joined to attack other religions. Even when crusaders are attacking and killing muslims, muslims did not begin a joint attack or defence.. No when It comes to expansionism, Christianity is absolutely more expansionist. Africa or america is proof of this.Oh even europea is proof ot this. Tell me which european country is fight against crusaders because they are shamans..

Private organizations do send missionaries to Africa and whatnot but they are not connected to any government.

No they are connected with pope.

By contrast, Islam is officially connected with many governments over the Middle East including Turkey, the most insidious Muslim nation because it pretends as if it's "secular".

Afterall europeans countries are secular. That is why they have a good feeling about a big muslim majority nations? Also lets not forget, states follow their benefits not their religions.

You should now it better. Most religious county at islamic world is ally of armenia and against their shia brothers. Just guess which country it is? So where is this expansionism?

If Turkey is so 'secular', how come you have to have your religion on your Identification Cards?

How can USA have their god over their money? how can greece have their church at their main law? You can find other examples too..

The Turkish government is very discriminatory towards 'dhimmis', just admit it.

Lets say against minorities but You know, at last elections minorities showed great support for Turkish goverment. irony?

Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons

Infact, you did.

[Federate]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

The Mongols conquered Armenia and pillaged much of it so we did suffer a lot from them.

However, after the devastation, Cilician Armenia was able to survive the Mongol onslaught and even strategically ally itself with it thanks to the brilliant diplomatic skills of Hetoum I. Another Armenian kingdom that survived and had good relations with the Mongols is Khachen, a principality that was found in modern-day NKR (the so-called "buffer zones" included of course) and Syunik.

[Armenian]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons.

Well, Clician Armenians were very close allies of the Mongols... Incidentally, Mongols were one of the worst enemies Turks have ever had.

[yerazhishda]

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Oh realy? So tell me, which nation did not try to conquer other states? We just did it better.

Yeah, by backstabbing, murdering, raping, and robing your friends in order to get ahead. Sorry, Armenians have class about it; they fight their enemies face to face and hold no pretenses of "friendship".

Yeah, Yeah. After all christianity is not expansionists and crusaders are muslims.. Ah lets, also does not forget muslim missionaries. Oh sorry, we have not muslim missionaries. There are christian missionairies and They are trying to expand christianity..

In terms of a nation, Christianity is not expansionist in the same why that you are thinking. Private organizations do send missionaries to Africa and whatnot but they are not connected to any government. By contrast, Islam is officially connected with many governments over the Middle East including Turkey, the most insidious Muslim nation because it pretends as if it's "secular". If Turkey is so 'secular', how come you have to have your religion on your Identification Cards? The Turkish government is very discriminatory towards 'dhimmis', just admit it.

So tell me, where Turkey is trying to expand?

It already expanded after the Genocide by illegally expropriating Armenian and Assyrian land.

That is why you supported most cruel armies like mongols and crusaders?

Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons.[/QUOTE]