Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork City 19

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

Dear Gavur jan; thank you for your kind remarks. But let me reinstate that what I have posted above is the absolute truth as I know these facts from very close sources of mine who happen to know it only too well (my own grandfather and his priest uncle).

Tourian was not a good spiritual leader; he was a coward and he abandoned his congregation and practically gave them to the enemy like Judith himself, and plus he took with him all the valuable belongings of the Church to the U.S. with him. The Armenian Church in question was St. Stepannos Church; it was a large and a huge Church and very rich indeed. As I stated above my own grandfather's uncle was "arachnortagan pokhanort Serpazan Touriani"; Tourian's assistant, and he saw how Tourian before escaping to the US took with him all the beautiful Church's valuables. Then before going, Tourian told his congregation not to worry. He deceived his congregation and the poor Armenians in there were slaughtered along with his own assistant, my great great uncle (a saintly priest) who gave all the manuscripts of the St. Stepannos Church to my grandfather before he was taken away by the turks. My grandfather was also an important man, he was a colonel in the turkish army then as he was graduated from the turkish "esbayits varjaran" military school of turkey. Both my grandfather and his priest uncle were taken to the slavery dungeons after that. After three years being thrown in the turkish slavery dungeons my grandfather has escaped by changing his name to a Greek name but unfortunately his priest uncle died in the turkish dungeons.

As I said earlier, all Tourian's malicuous doings to his congregation and the Armenians in Smyrna wasn't enough for him, he further came to the United States and he divided the Armenian Churches in North America; and thanks to his ill doings, the Armenian Churches throughout North America to this date are still divided.

You seem to live in a world where all the normal rules of evidence and settled historical facts can be cast aside on the basis of the "absolute truth" that a relative told you. However, far from disproving ARF involvement in his murder, your low opinion of Tourian actually makes their involvement more likely (but, anyway, there IS no doubt of their involvement).

[Anoush]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

You seem to live in a world where all the normal rules of evidence and settled historical facts can be cast aside on the basis of the "absolute truth" that a relative told you. However, far from disproving ARF involvement in his murder, your low opinion of Tourian actually makes their involvement more likely (but, anyway, there IS no doubt of their involvement).

You don't know me, you don't know my integrity and you don't know the high ethics and humanity that I represent and stand for. Nor you know the high personnae of my great grandfather and his uncle. Their humanity, humility and their high standard of ethics. I wish you could be fit enough to shine their shoes as well as mine.

I happen to know the kind of person my grandfather was, and he was not only highly regarded by me; but he was regarded extremely highly by the Armenian Egyptian community at large. Both in Egypt and in here he was a known face with caliber, with good moral values and a very intelligent person as well. I would not doubt for a second his words; but I would doubt yours.

From what I read about and have been told about Tourian; the facts are facts and neither you nor I can rewrite history. Anyone knowing all the deeds that Tourian committed, obviously will not think of Tourian to be a good human being; much less a fitting man of cloth.

Whether you believe it or not; it doesn't matter to me, but again the facts are facts. The ARF as a political party was not involved.

[hrai]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

You seem to live in a world where all the normal rules of evidence and settled historical facts can be cast aside on the basis of the "absolute truth" that a relative told you.

These "normal rules of evidence & settled historical facts" , posted by you, who admit to using wikipedia, using someone else's review on EBAY to discredit an Armenian professor's work!!!
You demand far higher standards of others than you yourself work to.

And finally, with all due respect, a grandfather telling his children about part of his life, and you, you think he would lie?

Your avatar is perfect for you and you assume others have the morals of an alley-cat.

[CRDA-France]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

Whether Tourian was assasinated by ARF was not true. ...But many wanted to find Tashnagtsoutyoun as the culprit and put a number of Tashnagtsagan young gentleman who were innocent in the prisons and let them rote. But Tashnagtsoutyoun didn't do it, Tashnagtsoutyoun had nothing to do with it. It was a lie.

30 years ago I read an article in English by the American Police officer who was in charge of this case. I unfortunately did not note the bibliographical references. I think it was in the "American Detective" Magazine in those years. My English was not so good then. There was a photo of the killers. What I had noticed was their look, full of hate. This had struck me.

Anyway, this happenned in the USA. It would be easy to find published official statements of the Justice Court.

Nil (Paris)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/par_pays/america.htm

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[bell-the-cat]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

Anyway, this happenned in the USA. It would be easy to find published official statements of the Justice Court.

Nil (Paris)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/par_pays/america.htm

#599

High personnae Armenians don't believe in police reports, or trial records. They know what they know, and they never need to know anything else.

[TomServo]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

I can't believe the divisions are still there. You'd think after nearly a century we'd know better, but just take a look at this thread.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

You don't know me, you don't know my integrity and you don't know the high ethics and humanity that I represent and stand for. Nor you know the high personnae of my great grandfather and his uncle. Their humanity, humility and their high standard of ethics. I wish you could be fit enough to shine their shoes as well as mine.

I happen to know the kind of person my grandfather was, and he was not only highly regarded by me; but he was regarded extremely highly by the Armenian Egyptian community at large. Both in Egypt and in here he was a known face with caliber, with good moral values and a very intelligent person as well. I would not doubt for a second his words; but I would doubt yours.

From what I read about and have been told about Tourian; the facts are facts and neither you nor I can rewrite history. Anyone knowing all the deeds that Tourian committed, obviously will not think of Tourian to be a good human being; much less a fitting man of cloth.

Whether you believe it or not; it doesn't matter to me, but again the facts are facts. The ARF as a political party was not involved.

Go be a high personae non gratae.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

I can't believe the divisions are still there. You'd think after nearly a century we'd know better, but just take a look at this thread.

And at other places too. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79125331.html
I was going to try and search The Armenian Reporter website http://armenianreporteronline.com) to see if the article was in their archive, but the website seems to be down (or very slow).

Also see here.

Contested Memories, Divided Diaspora: Armenian Americans, the Thousand-day Republic, and the Polarized Response to an Archbishop's Murder

BEN ALEXANDER

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jaeh/27.1/alexander.html

[Anoush]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

These "normal rules of evidence & settled historical facts" , posted by you, who admit to using wikipedia, using someone else's review on EBAY to discredit an Armenian professor's work!!!
You demand far higher standards of others than you yourself work to.

And finally, with all due respect, a grandfather telling his children about part of his life, and you, you think he would lie?

Your avatar is perfect for you and you assume others have the morals of an alley-cat.

Thank you hrai jan for your kind remarks. You are indeed a gentleman!!!

[Anoush]

Re: Դուրեան Սրբազան Նահատակ, Նիւ Եորք 1933 (Arbp Levon Tourian Murder, NewYork Cit

Go be a high personae non gratae.

What is your problem? I don't expect myself to know the ins and outs of Israel's or j'ews' complete history and in due course don't expect yourself to know the ins and outs of the Armenians' complete history when it's not even in your real interest. So stop putting down other people's business or their integrity without knowing what the heck you're talking about.