Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

[Federate]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

What is CSTO ?

The Collective Security Treaty Organisation is basically a mini-NATO but limited to former USSR states including Armenia but excluding "Azerbaijan" and Georgia.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

OK Karothe; please go to this thread and see what you make of it, perhaps I misunderstood? I hope I did.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?p=267026#post267026

with the following headline:
Armenian government handsover Metsamor power plant to the turks

It seems to me those are random guys talking, they aren't officials or something I still haven't understood who they are.

[Mukuch]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

The Collective Security Treaty Organisation is basically a mini-NATO but limited to former USSR states including Armenia but excluding "Azerbaijan" and Georgia.

Ah ok that one... yah cool : Kazakhstan,Kirgizstan; Turkmenstan; Tajikistan; Uzbekistan and Armenia. We must be in nice company

[Federate]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Ah ok that one... yah cool : Kazakhstan,Kirgizstan; Turkmenstan; Tajikistan; Uzbekistan and Armenia. We must be in nice company

Are you saying that because you fear Pan-Turkism or that those countries are weak?

They key of this treaty is not those states, they are just add-ons that would be welcomed if they actually do anything. The treaty's focal point should be Russia. But anyway, I myself have doubts about the effectiveness of this alliance in regards to Armenia; see here.

[Mukuch]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Are you saying that because you fear Pan-Turkism or that those countries are weak?

They key of this treaty is not those states, they are just add-ons that would be welcomed if they actually do anything. The treaty's focal point should be Russia. But anyway, I myself have doubts about the effectiveness of this alliance in regards to Armenia; see here.

Yes I know what it is. I just didn’t recognize the abbreviation in English. It is very artificial block. Russia created that block just to justify its military bases in this countries And yes this all countries are Turkic countries. Do you know there is a statue of Ataturk in Bishkek and there is one they will open soon in Astana.

[Federate]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

And yes this all countries are Turkic countries. Do you know there is a statue of Ataturk in Bishkek and there is one they will open soon in Astana.

Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.

[Mukuch]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.

lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.

[Eddo211]

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lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.

Mukuch, I agree with you here.
It is bad time that we learn that nobody gives a damn what happens to us and truly move (cautiously and responsibly but with resolve) towards a stronger independent Armenia....................I know, it is easy to just say this sitting here in US yelling “throw an uppercut” but it is obvious something gotta happen or very soon something else is going to give and Armenians will end up paying the price again.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.

Tajiks are Iranian, it means in Uzbek I think non Turk, they call themselves Dari, meaning of Darius, see yeah you area right there

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.

Let's be honest in recent history Russia has been our best ally and it's the best option for Hayastan to stay close with Russia.