Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

[Anoush]

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Let me say it truthfully as I see the true picture here. First these Zionist Jews try to uproar and turn our country upside down by trying to choose their candidate Levon the traitor on our throne to be president, when that didn't work out, now they are trying to buy out the newly elected president of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan by making him to open the borders with our number one enemy to as if to collaborate with the turks. But the real intention of these Zionist Jews along with their turkish counterparts is the following:

1. take away and sit on our Artsaxian lands;

2. to teach our children in the schools that such Genocide to the Armenians didn't happen and that it was only a myth;

3. to have our President sign the illegal Kars Treaty;

4. to cancel out the legal Sevres Treaty and the Wilson Arbitration; to put the final stone for us ever getting our Western Armenian lands.

[Anoush]

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Thanks Eddo jan for the article. And how come our men in AR aren't putting any preconditions like that on the table? The turks want the borders to be open and putting three preconditions and what about us? Instead of them we must put it out not them?

[Eddo211]

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I found this last month but I think it should be included here in this thread.


Sevres Treaty as an Armenian Precondition to Talks with Turkey?
[ 2009/04/18 | 14:40 ] politics

http://hetq.am/en/politics/turkey-3/

Shushan Stepanyan

At a press conference held earlier today Turkish studies specialist Raffi Kurtoushyan stated, “Turkish politicians and reporters are always talking about three preconditions, of which only two are discussed in Armenia. And these are misleading.”

Mr. Kurtoushyan noted that besides the issue of the 1915 Genocide and Karabakh, the third precondition of Turkey is that Armenia sign off on the 1921 Treaty of Kars.
The major aim of Turkey, which isn’t mentioned in Armenia, is the signing of the Kars Treaty. Turkey can ask - how can I open the border if you, without signing the treaty, do not formally recognize me? If Armenia were to take such a step it would mean that we’ve formally given up on Kars and Surmalu in eastern Armenia and all of western Armenia.”

Mr. Kurtoushyan noted that Turkey mad the same ploy regarding Cyprus. “We just can’t sit and state that we don’t want any preconditions. Armenia has to respond with such a set of preconditions that Turkey will back down from claiming theirs.”

The Turkish specialist proposed that Armenia demand the exclusion of the Karabakh issue from the agenda and that, “If they are pointing to the genocide issue as a precondition, we must come back with the issue of the Etchmiadzin diocesan properties and those that belonged to the Cilician Catholicosate. What’s become of these holdings? They want to open up the archives? Great, but we should request that they open up their property registers to see what’s happened to the properties once belonging to Armenians.”

Mr. Kurtoushyan suggested that if Turkey puts forth the Kars Treaty as a precondition to normalized relations then, “we must put on the table the Sevres and Lausanne treaties. If they want a committee of historians, fine. But we should demand a committee to look at these treaties as well. Let’s discuss the entire range of issues and come to some overall declaration.

[Anoush]

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Let's be honest in recent history Russia has been our best ally and it's the best option for Hayastan to stay close with Russia.

I agree! However at the same time we shall always bear in mind that whatever it takes FOR Armenia! If at any given time Russians will not consider us politically or otherwise in a good frame of mind, than we should do whatever we must do for our benefit! Let us never forget that fact! Armenia and Armenia's profit first and above all!!!!!!!

[KarotheGreat]

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There are a couple of Russians on this forum but they don't post here anymore

[UrMistake]

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Why there is no Russians in these forum?Or Georgians?Talks with them it would be great so we can make more progress in our conservations

[Mukuch]

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Mukuch, I agree with you here.
It is bad time that we learn that nobody gives a damn what happens to us and truly move (cautiously and responsibly but with resolve) towards a stronger independent Armenia....................I know, it is easy to just say this sitting here in US yelling “throw an uppercut” but it is obvious something gotta happen or very soon something else is going to give and Armenians will end up paying the price again.

Well you said it all...

[KarotheGreat]

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Russia has its own interests and imperialistic ambitions as any superpower in the world. What I am saying is that we must use it if it is in our interests but not become 100% dependent of them as it is now. Armenia must look for alternatives that would be the real balancing (or complimentary policy how Oskanyan has put it).

We are doing that, we are in the Eastern plan of the EU we were planning to do exercises with NATO till they xxxxed it up. We have soldiers in Iraq don't know if they are still there but we have had them at one time.

[Mukuch]

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Let's be honest in recent history Russia has been our best ally and it's the best option for Hayastan to stay close with Russia.

Russia has its own interests and imperialistic ambitions as any superpower in the world. What I am saying is that we must use it if it is in our interests but not become 100% dependent of them as it is now. Armenia must look for alternatives that would be the real balancing (or complimentary policy how Oskanyan has put it).

[KarotheGreat]

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lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.

Let's be honest in recent history Russia has been our best ally and it's the best option for Hayastan to stay close with Russia.