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Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir
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Those moromns are the best we have got, look at how they ae balancin us between Russia and the Us without falling to any of the sides. We are the strongest state in the Soutern Caucasus. We have the best armies and we are ready to win a war against the azeris. I think they are doing many things right.
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Look in this thread and it wasn't only about you but Armenians every were. Some people don't see that you can't the government for things they havent done wrong. This government is trying to improve the living situation in the country for the ordanary people in the country.
The situation in Armenia today, you can't blame the government for that it's all of our fault. Us Armenians are responsible all of us. For every thing going wrong in hte country from the corruption to every other thing going wrong.
What did Robert do, look at the country in the 90 and look now to the country look how much it has changed...
The goverenment needs time to work out.
And even every thing in Armenia was like in Eu or America, Armenians would still complain about the goernment.
We need to get stronger if we want our lands back this is what we need to work for to get stronger and get our lands back.
Only with force we can get it back no one is going to give it to us. Turks will never give one inch of those lands back to us, forget that. If they accept the genocide they'll give money that's it don't expect any land if we don't take it ourself.? You have the wrong picture in your hands, son ... maybe because you've been kissing too much of our gov. ass.
Last edited by Sako; 05-09-2009, 10:01 AM.
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Originally posted by Mukuch View PostYes ofcours you got there a point... things can change- that what is called political conjuncture. But if turkey will become week one day, there will be much more chances to defeat it rather diplomatically than with force. Ofcours considering our foreign policy will be in right hands and not in hands of this morons....
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Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Postwhy are you thinking over such a short short time. Before world war one they were a leading power in the world after ww1 they were nothing. things can change very fast. Look at history and you'll see many things.
And their army is 700.000 men strong at most,and not all of them are war ready and they have a real kurdish problem and real poverty in Western Armenia
Yes ofcours you got there a point... things can change- that what is called political conjuncture. But if turkey will become week one day, there will be much more chances to defeat it rather diplomatically than with force. Ofcours considering our foreign policy will be in right hands and not in hands of this morons....
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Originally posted by Mukuch View PostEvery thing will depend of political conjuncture of the moment….maybe they will maybe not. But you cant be seriously talking of fighting turkeys 1.000.000 army (5th in the world) with our 50.000
And their army is 700.000 men strong at most,and not all of them are war ready and they have a real kurdish problem and real poverty in Western Armenia
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Originally posted by KarotheGreat View PostOnly with force we can get it back no one is going to give it to us. Turks will never give one inch of those lands back to us, forget that. If they accept the genocide they'll give money that's it don't expect any land if we don't take it ourself.
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Originally posted by Mukuch View PostYou are accusing me of fooling myself with hope of recognition of Genocide by turkey and you are talking of getting stronger and getting our lands back? LOL There is no way we can get our land back by force. The only way forcing turks to give some thing is an international recognition of our rights (means recognition of AG). And what is happening is exactly incontrary. Our government by its arsskissing foreign policy stabbed in back Diasporas effort of doing some thing which will make sense. I am just disgusted….
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Originally posted by KarotheGreat View PostThey can say anything they want but when they say there will be no pre condition there will be non. What did you think they will ever accept the genocide. They will never do this, so stop fooling your self. I'm against opening of the border myself. There powers bigger than us busy opening the border and we need to make a deal that is good for us and without pre-condition it's the best deal we can get. Azeris lose a leverge against us and our economy will grow a little. We need to get stronger if we want our lands back this is what we need to work for to get stronger and get our lands back.
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Originally posted by Mukuch View PostNo precondition? You mean no precondition on paper. Both : the president and primer of turkey have declared there will be no deal unless Armenians give up on Karabakh and international recognition of AG. They still deny thr Genocide and make offensive and humiliating for Armenia declarations. You think they need preconditions on paper? Well there is one possible precondition on paper the humiliating Kars Treaty. And you call it a diplomatic victory? Don’t make me laugh….
The only recurses that our government lucks is honesty, dignity and patriotism!
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