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Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

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  • Pedro Xaramillo
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

    Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.
    Tajiks are Iranian, it means in Uzbek I think non Turk, they call themselves Dari, meaning of Darius, see yeah you area right there

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  • Eddo211
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    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.
    Mukuch, I agree with you here.
    It is bad time that we learn that nobody gives a damn what happens to us and truly move (cautiously and responsibly but with resolve) towards a stronger independent Armenia....................I know, it is easy to just say this sitting here in US yelling “throw an uppercut” but it is obvious something gotta happen or very soon something else is going to give and Armenians will end up paying the price again.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

    Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.
    lol... ofcours they are not danger, they supposed to be our "allies"... till they are under Russian control... my point is that everything comes back to Russia. All as Russia wishes... We have betted on Russia many times and we have always lost...you know what I mean.

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  • Federate
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    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    And yes this all countries are Turkic countries. Do you know there is a statue of Ataturk in Bishkek and there is one they will open soon in Astana.
    Don't worry about statues. Romania, Russia and others have Heydar Aliyev statues and parks named after him. Doesn't mean anything apparently. Check out Ataturk's memorials worldwide here.

    Those Turkic countries are all whipped by Russia and will not do anything against the Kremlin as long as they stay under its influence. Pan-Turkism in Turkmenistan is dead, Tajikistan is more Iranic than Turkic and Kazakhstan is de facto Russia. The other two landlocked countries are not a danger to Armenia either.
    Last edited by Federate; 05-09-2009, 02:59 PM.

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  • Mukuch
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    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    Are you saying that because you fear Pan-Turkism or that those countries are weak?

    They key of this treaty is not those states, they are just add-ons that would be welcomed if they actually do anything. The treaty's focal point should be Russia. But anyway, I myself have doubts about the effectiveness of this alliance in regards to Armenia; see here.
    Yes I know what it is. I just didn’t recognize the abbreviation in English. It is very artificial block. Russia created that block just to justify its military bases in this countries And yes this all countries are Turkic countries. Do you know there is a statue of Ataturk in Bishkek and there is one they will open soon in Astana.

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  • Federate
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    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    Ah ok that one... yah cool : Kazakhstan,Kirgizstan; Turkmenstan; Tajikistan; Uzbekistan and Armenia. We must be in nice company
    Are you saying that because you fear Pan-Turkism or that those countries are weak?

    They key of this treaty is not those states, they are just add-ons that would be welcomed if they actually do anything. The treaty's focal point should be Russia. But anyway, I myself have doubts about the effectiveness of this alliance in regards to Armenia; see here.

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  • Mukuch
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    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    The Collective Security Treaty Organisation is basically a mini-NATO but limited to former USSR states including Armenia but excluding "Azerbaijan" and Georgia.
    Ah ok that one... yah cool : Kazakhstan,Kirgizstan; Turkmenstan; Tajikistan; Uzbekistan and Armenia. We must be in nice company

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  • KarotheGreat
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    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    OK Karothe; please go to this thread and see what you make of it, perhaps I misunderstood? I hope I did.

    http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....026#post267026
    with the following headline:
    Armenian government handsover Metsamor power plant to the turks
    It seems to me those are random guys talking, they aren't officials or something I still haven't understood who they are.

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  • Federate
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    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    What is CSTO ?
    The Collective Security Treaty Organisation is basically a mini-NATO but limited to former USSR states including Armenia but excluding "Azerbaijan" and Georgia.

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  • Eddo211
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    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    ..........I wish Armenia could collaborate with the US in operating the nuclear operations. Russia has a place on her own for her nuclear operations, so does France, I think; but we can get-on-with USA. Turkey though? It's pretty scary to me to have them get on with us with our Medzamor nuclear powers.
    Anoush jan, even though I am not too knowledgeable in the internal affairs of Armenia and its politics I would guess that Turkey’s involvement in the Metsamor Nuclear Facility, if true, is as a contractor. Two years ago Washington suggested that replacement of Metsamor is necessary (repairs no longer possible) due to deteriorating safety conditions and had funds allocated for the project. Turkey could pickup the contract of rebuilding it via US.

    Meanwhile a new Nuclear Facility project is up for bids in Armenia with Russia looking as the best candidate so far.


    Y'll, One must remember that there is an international monopoly on Nuclear Powerplant Projects, look no further than what Iran is going through.

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