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Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

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  • Anoush
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    That is meaningless.
    You're entitled to your opinion, on the other hand I know better!

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    Because it is a Legal Document. It will not cease to become one.
    That is meaningless.

    Who considers the Sevres treaty as a document with any relevance to today?

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  • Anoush
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Then maybe answer my question instead. The one you refused to answer. Who, apart from some ARF leaders posturing in public, and a few extremist in Turkey, considers the Sevres treaty as a document with any relevance to today?
    Because it is a Legal Document. It will not cease to become one.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    I couldn't have said it better myself in another few years.
    Then maybe answer my question instead. The one you refused to answer. Who, apart from some ARF leaders posturing in public, and a few extremist in Turkey, considers the Sevres treaty as a document with any relevance to today?

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  • Anoush
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    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    You think our culture and our tradition is "hating Turks"? Think again, we have our own civilization, our own religion, customs, history... It is important for Armenians of today to learn about it and connect to it. In the face of globalism today, we MUST hold onto our traditions, or pass away, dissolving into the soulless mass of modern humans who's religion is work to pay bills and participate in the economy which chains them to a meaningless life, sprinkled with some cheap flashy entertainment (and that's only if we're lucky enough to live in the richer, safer parts of the world...)

    Armenians don't need this, I declare a spiritual war on globalism and I encourage the rest of mankind to do so as well, including you.

    The reason why Armenians are at odds with Turks is because your people and your government have always served to pillage everything Armenian in order to prop up your own "raison d'etre" in Anatolia. Armenians feel threatened by this, it is only natural for us, especially organized, patriotic elements of us like Dashnaktsutyun to retaliate, politically, intellectually and in the days of Armenia forming its first republic in 1918, through armed resistance. Stupid nationalist donkeys are they? They are an important reason why Armenia exists today, just like Turkish nationalism is an especially important reason why Turkey exists today, as does the impossibility of questioning Ataturk, the "dubiousness of the Armenian Genocide" and the rest of your country's historical revisionism that seeks to undermine the Armenian civilization. Because Turkey's nationalistic ends are mostly achieved, it does not occur to the Turkish people that this status quo they've been living in for generations has been nationalist at all, and so they consider the especially militant elements of their nation as the "nationalist ones". It is all relative. So enough with criticizing Dashnaks on these lines. They are likely as nationalist as Turkey has been since Ataturk. Again, the only reason why you don't think your current government is "nutty" is because they have been victorious in their nationalism. I guess this "nutty" just translates the nationalism where its work is still in progress, not yet achieved. Hardly an insult imo.

    Your secular regime is more nationalistic than you think. They are very clever, I'll give them that, both in their dealings with their domestic population and how they educate them, and with the international world. Turkey is a very special, clever nation and must be dealt with by Armenians with care, but this care has no bearing on why we must forget the atrocities... I'm sorry but our memory does not make us the aggressors.

    I couldn't have said it better myself in another few years.

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  • jgk3
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    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    JGK3 you cannot protect your anti-turkish(hate) culture. Infact, you cannot protect even your pro-armenian culture. Welcome to globalism.

    If borders open, Most probably Armenia will never gain "western armenia?" back in short or moderate time. You cannot trade Turkey When you are scheming aggresive actions. do you realy think that we are so naive? do you think we will also give ROA arm?
    You think our culture and our tradition is "hating Turks"? Think again, we have our own civilization, our own religion, customs, history... It is important for Armenians of today to learn about it and connect to it. In the face of globalism today, we MUST hold onto our traditions, or pass away, dissolving into the soulless mass of modern humans who's religion is work to pay bills and participate in the economy which chains them to a meaningless life, sprinkled with some cheap flashy entertainment (and that's only if we're lucky enough to live in the richer, safer parts of the world...)

    Armenians don't need this, I declare a spiritual war on globalism and I encourage the rest of mankind to do so as well, including you.

    The reason why Armenians are at odds with Turks is because your people and your government have always served to pillage everything Armenian in order to prop up your own "raison d'etre" in Anatolia. Armenians feel threatened by this, it is only natural for us, especially organized, patriotic elements of us like Dashnaktsutyun to retaliate, politically, intellectually and in the days of Armenia forming its first republic in 1918, through armed resistance. Stupid nationalist donkeys are they? They are an important reason why Armenia exists today, just like Turkish nationalism is an especially important reason why Turkey exists today, as does the impossibility of questioning Ataturk, the "dubiousness of the Armenian Genocide" and the rest of your country's historical revisionism that seeks to undermine the Armenian civilization. Because Turkey's nationalistic ends are mostly achieved, it does not occur to the Turkish people that this status quo they've been living in for generations has been nationalist at all, and so they consider the especially militant elements of their nation as the "nationalist ones". It is all relative. So enough with criticizing Dashnaks on these lines. They are likely as nationalist as Turkey has been since Ataturk. Again, the only reason why you don't think your current government is "nutty" is because they have been victorious in their nationalism. I guess this "nutty" just translates the nationalism where its work is still in progress, not yet achieved. Hardly an insult imo.

    Your secular regime is more nationalistic than you think. They are very clever, I'll give them that, both in their dealings with their domestic population and how they educate them, and with the international world. Turkey is a very special, clever nation and must be dealt with by Armenians with care, but this care has no bearing on why we must forget the atrocities... I'm sorry but our memory does not make us the aggressors.
    Last edited by jgk3; 05-05-2009, 06:16 AM.

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  • hrai
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    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    So You should sent bill.



    I can understand you. So tell me, How many armenians are not living in armenian lands because of this war?(Or maybe I should say conflict. )
    I know personally 3.

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  • Palavra
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    Palavra, they haven't paid all the debt.
    So You should sent bill.

    Perhaps for a different thread, but I struggle with this question. The result of liberation of Artsakh is that Armenians live on Armenian lands.
    No war back then would have seen a massive continuation of az. pogroms against Armenians.
    I can understand you. So tell me, How many armenians are not living in armenian lands because of this war?(Or maybe I should say conflict. )

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  • hrai
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    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    dont you claim it?(You hade double standard here. You want Turkey acceptance of AG.) You are right baby. Turkey payed debt of ottomans. Turkey is responsible from ottomans act at ww1.(Of course, with kars treaty, ROA forsaken her rights about this.)
    Palavra, they haven't paid all the debt.

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  • hrai
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    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    Let me ask you another question. do you realy think ROA gain karabag war?(I did not ask, whether azeris lost.) As I said before, Nationalist have no capacity to evaluate facts. is ROA more powerful or less powerful?(think in short run and long run.)
    Perhaps for a different thread, but I struggle with this question. The result of liberation of Artsakh is that Armenians live on Armenian lands.
    No war back then would have seen a massive continuation of az. pogroms against Armenians.

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