Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

[Anoush]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Oh they have their thinking cap on, don't worry Anoush jan. Our gov. is smart and knows how to manipulate us ! They've ALWAYS had their xxxxing thinking caps on. They just don't realize that SO DO WE!

Saco jan, My above quote was my referring of today's Armenia's administration and mostly to Serzh by being oblivuous to the fact that the turks are our number one enemy who annihilated us in total and continues the genocidal cycle by denying the Genocide so that she cannot make ANY renumerations; be it land wise, be it in money or be it in our legal lands. She is totally walking all over us in the way of course making her look very bad but to the brown nosing super powers of the world, and to top it off turkey is patting Sudan's denylist genocidal government sympaythyzing with them and thus the genocydal cyle is continuing. And instead of bewaring turkey with her genocidal cunning the crawling of of a country (which I wouldn't consider it as a country but a bunch of howling wolves), our government thanks to Serzh is opening up the borders and the unbelievable - they are inviting in turkey their number one enemy - to their most powerful arms in today's world. Armenia's nuclear power plant. When I heard this I just couldn't think anymore, my mind froze as to the craziness that's going on in the heads of our leadership!!! This is not only discouraging, this is the MURDER of a nation - in this case, the murder of the Armenias and of Armenia -.

[Sako]

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The situation is bad

Let's not jump to any hasty conclusions just YET though! Let's wait a bit more.

[KarotheGreat]

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Oh they have their thinking cap on, don't worry Anoush jan. Our gov. is smart and knows how to manipulate us ! They've ALWAYS had their xxxxing thinking caps on. They just don't realize that SO DO WE!

Saco stop blaming the government for every thing that goes wrong in the country. Because it's lately the only thing you hear from Armenians, they blame the government for every thing. They don't want to take responsibility. I remember them blaming the government during the Levon days during Roberts days and now I'm seeing the same thing. The only time they kept their mouth shut was during the war.

The government can't do everything, it's resources are limited and some things must be done by the people. And with your anti-government BS you aren't helping anyone.

[Mukuch]

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The government can't do everything, it's resources are limited and some things must be done by the people. And with your anti-government BS you aren't helping anyone.

Luck of exactly what recourse made "our dear" government to make an arsskissing declaration with turks just 2 days before April 24?

[KarotheGreat]

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Luck of exactly what recourse made "our dear" government to make an arsskissink declaration with turks just 2 days before April 24?

Was surprised about that too, but now there are no pre-conditions it's a diplomatic victory for us. And do you think without the declaration Obama would have used genocide, no hell no.

[Sako]

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The government can't do everything, it's resources are limited and some things must be done by the people.

I never said the gov. is the only one that carries blame but at the moment, these people are doing a lot of wrong things. You say the gov. can't do everything ... in reality, they're doing almost nothing. They don't allow the people to think about anything except finding a way to survive. It's much more complicated then you think, Karo. I live here so I think I can give you a better explanation of what's going on then you can. I hope your ego doesn't feel like xxxx after hearing that!

And with your anti-government BS you aren't helping anyone.

If you weren't so pissed at your own little self, you'd see all the posts I posted in this thread alone (and so many others) blaming and talking about the people exclusively so go deal with your xxxxing issues Karo. I don't have time for this! Come back when you have your head on straight again and remember that YOU busted in a like xxxxx, not me!

[Sako]

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Saco stop blaming the government for every thing that goes wrong in the country.

When did I ever do that?

Because it's lately the only thing you hear from Armenians, they blame the government for every thing. They don't want to take responsibility.

Responsibility for WHAT, man?

I remember them blaming the government during the Levon days during Roberts days and now I'm seeing the same thing. The only time they kept their mouth shut was during the war.

Why are you going against our people that way? I'm not saying their angels but Robert and Levon ruined this nation, incase you don't know. So stop throwing so much blame on our people. If you knew what state their in right now, you'd shut your freakin trap.

[Mukuch]

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Was surprised about that too, but now there are no pre-conditions it's a diplomatic victory for us. And do you think without the declaration Obama would have used genocide, no hell no.

No precondition? You mean no precondition on paper. Both : the president and primer of turkey have declared there will be no deal unless Armenians give up on Karabakh and international recognition of AG. They still deny thr Genocide and make offensive and humiliating for Armenia declarations. You think they need preconditions on paper? Well there is one possible precondition on paper the humiliating Kars Treaty. And you call it a diplomatic victory? Don’t make me laugh….
The only recurses that our government lucks is honesty, dignity and patriotism!

[KarotheGreat]

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When did I ever do that?

Look in this thread and it wasn't only about you but Armenians every were. Some people don't see that you can't the government for things they havent done wrong. This government is trying to improve the living situation in the country for the ordanary people in the country.

Responsibility for WHAT, man?

The situation in Armenia today, you can't blame the government for that it's all of our fault. Us Armenians are responsible all of us. For every thing going wrong in hte country from the corruption to every other thing going wrong.

Why are you going against our people that way? I'm not saying their angels but Robert and Levon ruined this nation, incase you don't know. So stop throwing so much blame on our people. If you knew what state their in right now, you'd shut your freakin trap.

What did Robert do, look at the country in the 90 and look now to the country look how much it has changed and wait for a couple of years and you'll see what will happen. The goverenment needs time to work out things. And even every thing in Armenia was like in Eu or America, Armenians would still complain about the goernment.

[KarotheGreat]

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No precondition? You mean no precondition on paper. Both : the president and primer of turkey have declared there will be no deal unless Armenians give up on Karabakh and international recognition of AG. They still deny thr Genocide and make offensive and humiliating for Armenia declarations. You think they need preconditions on paper? Well there is one possible precondition on paper the humiliating Kars Treaty. And you call it a diplomatic victory? Don’t make me laugh….
The only recurses that our government lucks is honesty, dignity and patriotism!

They can say anything they want but when they say there will be no pre condition there will be non. What did you think they will ever accept the genocide. They will never do this, so stop fooling your self. I'm against opening of the border myself. There powers bigger than us busy opening the border and we need to make a deal that is good for us and without pre-condition it's the best deal we can get. Azeris lose a leverge against us and our economy will grow a little. We need to get stronger if we want our lands back this is what we need to work for to get stronger and get our lands back.