Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

The real question needs to be:Does the Sevre agreement play a role in redetermining borders of Armenia and Turkey , if US who is the architect of the Sevre, and a non-signatory party to the Lozan, re-evaluates its long term relations with the Turkish Republic???

No, it does not. It does play a role in the rhetoric and rabble-rousing indulged in by a few extremists in Turkey and Armenia. And they give amusement.

[bell-the-cat]

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So you are waiting for help of USA after France and Russia. You will never learn...

Nobody is that incapable of learning! It's mostly that many people have a vested interest in not admitting the truth, and many more can't start start saying the truth because, for decades, they have been claiming something different is true.

[UrMistake]

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The representatives signed the treaty in Sèvres, France.
The treaty had four signatories, Rıza Tevfik, the grand vizier Damat Ferid Pasha, ambassador Hadi Pasha and the minister of education Reşid Halis who were endorsed by Sultan Mehmed VI. The treaty was not sent to Ottoman Parliament for ratification, as it was abolished on March 18, 1920 by the British, during the occupation of Istanbul. The treaty was never ratified by the Ottoman Empire.
Of the Principal Allied powers it excluded the United States. Russia was also excluded because it had negotiated the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Ottoman Empire in 1918. In that treaty, at the insistence of the Grand Vizier Talat Pasha, the Ottoman Empire regained the lands Russia had captured in the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), specifically Ardahan, Kars, and Batumi. Sir George Dixon Grahame signed for Great Britain, Alexandre Millerand for France and Count Lelio Bonin Longare for Italy.
Among the other Allied powers; Greece did not accept the drawn borders and never ratified. Avetis Aharonian, the President of the Delegation of Democratic Republic of Armenia which also signed the Treaty of Batum on June 4, 1918 was the signature of this treaty.
So dont make eny stories,history can't bechanged.
With the great powers making games,Armenia were the last man to be spoken,it were diner with meal the ottoman lands.Intrests are biger than real problems of people till today.

[Anoush]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

The representatives signed the treaty in Sèvres, France.
The treaty had four signatories, Rıza Tevfik, the grand vizier Damat Ferid Pasha, ambassador Hadi Pasha and the minister of education Reşid Halis who were endorsed by Sultan Mehmed VI. The treaty was not sent to Ottoman Parliament for ratification, as it was abolished on March 18, 1920 by the British, during the occupation of Istanbul. The treaty was never ratified by the Ottoman Empire.
Of the Principal Allied powers it excluded the United States. Russia was also excluded because it had negotiated the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Ottoman Empire in 1918. In that treaty, at the insistence of the Grand Vizier Talat Pasha, the Ottoman Empire regained the lands Russia had captured in the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), specifically Ardahan, Kars, and Batumi. Sir George Dixon Grahame signed for Great Britain, Alexandre Millerand for France and Count Lelio Bonin Longare for Italy.
Among the other Allied powers; Greece did not accept the drawn borders and never ratified. Avetis Aharonian, the President of the Delegation of Democratic Republic of Armenia which also signed the Treaty of Batum on June 4, 1918 was the signature of this treaty.
So dont make eny stories,history can't bechanged.
With the great powers making games,Armenia were the last man to be spoken,it were diner with meal the ottoman lands.Intrests are biger than real problems of people till today.

UrMistake jan, some of the odar people in here like bell-the-cat and Palavra you'd think they can read.

Anyways, now let's all go and let all Armenians around the world to learn if they didn't know it already, to talk about our Legal Sevres Tashnakir-Treaty and let everyone in the world to know as well as the governments!!!!!!!

[Anoush]

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turkey does, otherwise why so nervous about the whole issue

Londontsi jan, you put it well, turkey does know the relevance of Sevres Treaty Tashnakir; otherwise they won't be so nervous.

[Anoush]

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Nobody is that incapable of learning! It's mostly that many people have a vested interest in not admitting the truth, and many more can't start start saying the truth because, for decades, they have been claiming something different is true.

What something different is true????? So far all we wanted is the GENOCIDE denyalists turkey to come to his better moral senses and stop denying the Genocide, stop putting everyone in jail because they utter the word "Genocide" and to stop continuing the Genocide that way!!!!

Why is your government Israel so upset about Ahmadinejad when Israelites thought that he denied the Haulocaust? Because they thought then that Ahmadeinejad is being very unfair towards them the J'ews. For many years till now I have been feeling very bad for the J'ews that Hitler mercilessly annihilated so many J'ews. How come and why Israel or Israelites don't feel the same way about Armenians who were barbarically and mercilessly massacred by the turks and today's turkish government denies it vehemently? And Israel supports the turkish government and they deny the Genocide shamelessly.

[Gavur]

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No, it does not. It does play a role in the rhetoric and rabble-rousing indulged in by a few extremists in Turkey and Armenia. And they give amusement.

Even thought mine is a hypothetical question you chose to answer it, unless you give examples as to why, it does not! your opinion will remain worthless.

[Anoush]

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No, it does not. It does play a role in the rhetoric and rabble-rousing indulged in by a few extremists in Turkey and Armenia. And they give amusement.

Gavur jan, this man is obviously very nervous about us even mentioning the word Sevres Treaty; and please please please don't even listen to him or discuss this matter with him because he doesn't even want us to utter the word Sevres Tashnakir. He is not Armenian and he has no darn interest in our cause. All he does is HE TRIES to belittle anyone and everyone who utters the word Sevres. The joke and the amusement is on him!!!!!

[Gavur]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

Sometimes I wonder if someones belling this cat.

[Anoush]

Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

The real question needs to be:Does the Sevre agreement play a role in redetermining borders of Armenia and Turkey , if US who is the architect of the Sevre, and a non-signatory party to the Lozan, re-evaluates its long term relations with the Turkish Republic???

I don't see why not Gavur jan. We shall overcome!!!!! If every one of us think and work in the following way, why not?

"Gamkernis degaroutyun bedk che janchna!"