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Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

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  • #71
    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    That is meaningless.

    Who considers the Sevres treaty as a document with any relevance to today?
    Thats funny cause this is the same guy who refused to answer the question about the memorial on turckish soil that looks exactly like our own hushardzan commemorating the genocide victims. Maybe when you grow balls to answer the questions that you yourself brought up then you can start demanding answers from others.
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #72
      Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      Thats funny cause this is the same guy who refused to answer the question about the memorial on turckish soil that looks exactly like our own hushardzan commemorating the genocide victims. Maybe when you grow balls to answer the questions that you yourself brought up then you can start demanding answers from others.
      Ohh my eyes, not again!
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      • #73
        Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

        Enough fighting guys... There is no need to ask antagonizing questions if we already know the answers. Bell, if you don't like this thread, you're more than welcome to leave it alone.
        I was taught how to think.

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        • #74
          Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

          Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
          Enough fighting guys... There is no need to ask antagonizing questions if we already know the answers.
          So are you agreeing that for question "Who, apart from some ARF leaders posturing in public, and a few extremist in Turkey, considers the Sevres treaty to be a document with any relevance to today?" the answer is "Nobody"?

          By "relevance" I mean something beyond its existence as an historical document.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #75
            Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

            You think our culture and our tradition is "hating Turks"?
            Some part of it. I differentiated anti-turkish and pro-armenian culture.

            Think again, we have our own civilization, our own religion, customs, history... It is important for Armenians of today to learn about it and connect to it. In the face of globalism today, we MUST hold onto our traditions, or pass away, dissolving into the soulless mass of modern humans who's religion is work to pay bills and participate in the economy which chains them to a meaningless life, sprinkled with some cheap flashy entertainment (and that's only if we're lucky enough to live in the richer, safer parts of the world...)

            Armenians don't need this, I declare a spiritual war on globalism and I encourage the rest of mankind to do so as well, including you.
            Sorry but you cannot fight against time. Culture of ROA will change unless you totally close ROA to outside of country..


            The reason why Armenians are at odds with Turks is because your people and your government have always served to pillage everything Armenian in order to prop up your own "raison d'etre" in Anatolia. Armenians feel threatened by this, it is only natural for us, especially organized, patriotic elements of us like Dashnaktsutyun to retaliate, politically, intellectually and in the days of Armenia forming its first republic in 1918, through armed resistance.
            I did not say You should not retaliate. It is your right.

            Stupid nationalist donkeys are they?
            Yep they are. They decided that france or Russia would give them their country. Look what they got.

            Or our stupid ittihatists

            They are an important reason why Armenia exists today, just like Turkish nationalism is an especially important reason why Turkey exists today, as does the impossibility of questioning Ataturk, the "dubiousness of the Armenian Genocide" and the rest of your country's historical revisionism that seeks to undermine the Armenian civilization.
            It is not realy anti-armenian. It is anti non-turkish elements. Anyway, There is not impossibility. If you are talking about impossibility, It is that no armenian can refuse AG.

            Because Turkey's nationalistic ends are mostly achieved, it does not occur to the Turkish people that this status quo they've been living in for generations has been nationalist at all, and so they consider the especially militant elements of their nation as the "nationalist ones".
            I can differentiate two and I am not talking about grey wolfes when I am calling nationalists stupid.

            ". It is all relative. So enough with criticizing Dashnaks on these lines. They are likely as nationalist as Turkey has been since Ataturk.
            Who said, I liked nationalism at 1923? But I want to make one point, even Ataturk was a nationalist, he was also a pragmatist.. That is why he forsaken some turkish lands.

            Again, the only reason why you don't think your current government is "nutty" is because they have been victorious in their nationalism.
            I do not accuse ROA goverment as nutty and I do not think Turkish goverment do everything right. Still AKP is least nationalist party, Turkey ever see.

            do you realy think a nationalist goverment will even think about opening border with ROA when karabag is occupied?

            Your secular regime is more nationalistic than you think.
            Infact, My secular regime is more nationalistic than you think too. I am aware of that fact better than you.. And They made a lot stupid mistake

            They are very clever, I'll give them that, both in their dealings with their domestic population and how they educate them, and with the international world.
            I disagree. They are totally idiots inside of Turkey. They failed again and again. Not bad about international politics. At least, They are following real politics.

            Turkey is a very special, clever nation and must be dealt with by Armenians with care, but this care has no bearing on why we must forget the atrocities... I'm sorry but our memory does not make us the aggressors.
            Your memories dont but your wish about eastern Turkey make you aggressors.(For Turkey)

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            • #76
              Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              So are you agreeing that for question "Who, apart from some ARF leaders posturing in public, and a few extremist in Turkey, considers the Sevres treaty to be a document with any relevance to today?" the answer is "Nobody"?

              By "relevance" I mean something beyond its existence as an historical document.
              yes, I agree. That doesn't make the document any less important for Armenians to know about and talk about though.

              And Palavra, thank you for your response, at least we understand for or less eachothers' positions now and can move on.
              Last edited by jgk3; 05-05-2009, 12:48 PM.
              I was taught how to think.

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              • #77
                Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                So are you agreeing that for question "Who, apart from some ARF leaders posturing in public, and a few extremist in Turkey, considers the Sevres treaty to be a document with any relevance to today?" the answer is "Nobody"?

                By "relevance" I mean something beyond its existence as an historical document.
                I thought I saw a Puddy cat , jingles,why are you lowering your high self to a feeble quetion, like the one you posed, supposedly to destroy my friends thread?

                The real question needs to be:Does the Sevre agreement play a role in redetermining borders of Armenia and Turkey , if US who is the architect of the Sevre, and a non-signatory party to the Lozan, re-evaluates its long term relations with the Turkish Republic???
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #78
                  Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

                  So you are waiting for help of USA after France and Russia. You will never learn.. Anyway, I think you should firstly populate ROA than later eastern Turkey.

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                  • #79
                    Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                    That is meaningless.

                    Who considers the Sevres treaty as a document with any relevance to today?


                    Turkey does, otherwise why so nervous about the whole issue
                    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                    • #80
                      Re: Sevri Tashnakir vs. Karsi Tashnakir

                      Originally posted by Palavra View Post
                      Anyway, I think you should firstly populate ROA than later eastern Turkey.
                      I agree. Populate it with dedicated Armenians who don't want to leave for economic reasons.
                      I was taught how to think.

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