Armenian unity as a political, social and military force during the genocide years

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian unity as a political, social and military force during the genocide year

Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.


Winston Churchill

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian unity as a political, social and military force during the genocide year

Real democracy does not exist anywhere in the world and it never did.All democracys are a form of dictatorship discised to give people the feeling of selfgovernment but in reality the people have no more real power under democracy then they did under dictatorship.Even the best intentioned democracys like the one formed during the creation of the USA eventually turn into dictatorships by means of the "patriot act",special interest groups........You may feel like you have freedom in a democracy but you have no such thing, just go ahead and try to make meaningfull change, it wont let you. The whole concept of leadership is very basic and has been that way long befor there were humans, this concept is "the strongest-smartest rule". This is a concept derived from nature and is ingrained in humans as well as many other animals. Even when we come up with great ideas like democracy or socialism, in practice they all fail because human nature dominates and we revert back to strongest-rule.

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You're right, both sides, Turkish and Russian Armenian were guilty for failing to unite at a moment where we badly needed to. Armenians have been used to being divided into separate factions that favour different regional powers, and in many ways, it has aided to keep us on the map throughout history during times we did not have a country. This "divided we prevail" strategy however did exactly the opposite when the whole world abandoned us to the genocidal hands of Turkey, the most gloomy point being the dissolution of the Russian Army following the their nation's revolution.

We Armenians today, as you said, have been forced, by the bloody chapter of the genocide, to change from a people who identify with different homelands, to a people who identify a single homeland. To do otherwise is to hate what we are.

The reason why this protracted discussion about how disunited we were in 1918 began is because foreign agents like Levon exist today, trying to divide our homeland once more by setting Karabaghtsis and Hayastantsis as enemies, and ultimately, delivering both sides to hell, to get eating up by our unfriendly neighbours.

Our unity ensures that we can defend ourselves against Azerbaijan, our disunity ensures that we have civil war, and then massacres by Azerbaijan.

I agree with you, especially with regards to men like Levon

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian unity as a political, social and military force during the genocide year

Dictators are horrible for everyone. Democracy isn't perfect and I am deeply against the sort of society and system it creates but I can only contend that dictatorship is worse because of the political and civil rights it denies its citizens. Sadly the thing about democracy is it can never truly be representative, only partially representative. Also it is open to political corruption by corporations and by ideological standpoints. In the end though it is better to have some representation by 30 or 40% than 1% under a dictator.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian unity as a political, social and military force during the genocide year

Yes there can be benevolent dictators, but what do you do when a long serving "good"
Dictator’s time is up through old age or otherwise.
I think good democratic institutions with checks and balances, healthy press, smart populace rather than sheep and slogan politics should be the way forward.

A democratic system on its own means nothing. The economy is the most important. Fair distribution of wealth has to be at its core. This is where corruption starts.

We need politicians with a national vision. A politician with vision is more powerful than a dictator since he is driving his ideas through debate and by definition needs intelligent and supporting population to succeed. Show me a nation with a dictator at its head and a smart population.

Sadly I think this vision is lacking in our current political elite.

[Anoush]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

LTP really is the enemy of our people. As for vote riging- i don't much care for democracy anyways because it is by far the most currupt and warlike form of government ever created. Ill take a smart capable dictator over any democratic joke of a government.USA pushes for democracy because such governments are easier to control. If one leader refuses your biribe, in a democracy you simply go to the next one until you find the one who is willing to take it.The key is a dictator-strongman-president-king-whatever the hell you wana call him needs to be smart and interested in doiong the right things for his people.

Yes, we have seen what democracy does - only for the benefit of heryas and the herya controlled the US. Who needs it? But only if our dictator would also be patriotic enough to make his countrymen have good jobs to stay above poorhouses and much less corrupted.

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

LTP really is the enemy of our people. As for vote riging- i don't much care for democracy anyways because it is by far the most currupt and warlike form of government ever created. Ill take a smart capable dictator over any democratic joke of a government.USA pushes for democracy because such governments are easier to control. If one leader refuses your biribe, in a democracy you simply go to the next one until you find the one who is willing to take it.The key is a dictator-strongman-president-king-whatever the hell you wana call him needs to be smart and interested in doiong the right things for his people.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I am certainly not a fan of Levon. History had given him an opportunity on a plate to establish himself as one of the greats of our history, a father of the nation, instead he initiated and established the culture of corruption and vote rigging which subsequent presidents find it too tasty to give up.
It will require a giant of a man as president to alter thing. I cannot see that person till the horizon.

[Anoush]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You're right, both sides, Turkish and Russian Armenian were guilty for failing to unite at a moment where we badly needed to. Armenians have been used to being divided into separate factions that favour different regional powers, and in many ways, it has aided to keep us on the map throughout history during times we did not have a country. This "divided we prevail" strategy however did exactly the opposite when the whole world abandoned us to the genocidal hands of Turkey, the most gloomy point being the dissolution of the Russian Army following the their nation's revolution.

We Armenians today, as you said, have been forced, by the bloody chapter of the genocide, to change from a people who identify with different homelands, to a people who identify a single homeland. To do otherwise is to hate what we are.

The reason why this protracted discussion about how disunited we were in 1918 began is because foreign agents like Levon exist today, trying to divide our homeland once more by setting Karabaghtsis and Hayastantsis as enemies, and ultimately, delivering both sides to hell, to get eating up by our unfriendly neighbours.

Our unity ensures that we can defend ourselves against Azerbaijan, our disunity ensures that we have civil war, and then massacres by Azerbaijan.

jgk; from 1990 through 1993 a great deal of Hayastancis from Armenia went and fought against our enemies in Karabakh and the result as we have it at least some of our Karabakh lands back and freedom for us. When it comes to Levon and his deceitful ways, I could not agree with you more. Already we are landlocked and very small; we have no other way or means but to be united against our man eating beast neighbours (both of them; the turks and the azeri-tatars).

[jgk3]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You're right, both sides, Turkish and Russian Armenian were guilty for failing to unite at a moment where we badly needed to. Armenians have been used to being divided into separate factions that favour different regional powers, and in many ways, it has aided to keep us on the map throughout history during times we did not have a country. This "divided we prevail" strategy however did exactly the opposite when the whole world abandoned us to the genocidal hands of Turkey, the most gloomy point being the dissolution of the Russian Army following the their nation's revolution.

We Armenians today, as you said, have been forced, by the bloody chapter of the genocide, to change from a people who identify with different homelands, to a people who identify a single homeland. To do otherwise is to hate what we are.

The reason why this protracted discussion about how disunited we were in 1918 began is because foreign agents like Levon exist today, trying to divide our homeland once more by setting Karabaghtsis and Hayastantsis as enemies, and ultimately, delivering both sides to hell, to get eating up by our unfriendly neighbours.

Our unity ensures that we can defend ourselves against Azerbaijan, our disunity ensures that we have civil war, and then massacres by Azerbaijan.