History of Indo-European Languages...

[IvyLipstick]

Ok, I looked up about Hayasa and this is what it says "The oldest known ancestors of modern Armenians, the Hayasa-Azzi tribes, also known as Proto-Armenians, were indigenous to the Armenian Highland in Eastern Anatolia." The Assyrian link in my head came from the fact that the Assyrian cuneform transcriptions confirm about a tribe living North of them called Hayasa. So that was the link I was thinking about, I did not confirm that Hayasa came from Assyrians.

Your mind and words do not coincide then. You did say that that is why I took matters all into my hands to correct you. Well yes they are the oldest "known ancestors of Armenians" but who or what are they? Are they dark light tall short from where? Listen, do not rely upon Anti-Armenian scriptures to prove you some point you are curious because LOTS of scripts said LOTS of things not just in the Akkadian writings but like all over the world. Yes there are lousy sources that point or talk about them, of course. They only came in contact in their silk roads and paths like what 100 times before?

[IvyLipstick]

Historians have so far been unable to assert beyond any reasonable doubt that the Urartu people were either Indo-European or Semitic. One theory that seems to have some credibility is that the Urartu were related to the present-day Georgians. There are a lot of words in the Armenian language that are of completely non-Indo-European origin, probably from the original language of the Urartu. In fact, for a while, both Armenian and Urartu were spoken (Armenian by the elite, Urartu by the masses), until Armenian took over.

Right thus far that is the most valid theory but they also say like because the Urartu was dying off Armenians simply absorbed them into our culture. You can tell that is true because the Urartu were dark red complected and black haired people kind of tall. Others also concur that it was one of the Armenian tribes a while back that was fortunate enough to form its own kingdom.

[IvyLipstick]

Try not to sound racist


I personally find "darker" Armenians very attractive

How is that racist? Only a racist person has those racist intentions and thoughts and confuses others with it.

As for your taste, well if you find Bin Laden look alikes very sexy, then fine. :coughs: *lack of taste*

[IvyLipstick]

Anonymous, Hitler was lunatic and I think it's been written over and over that the Germans have nothing to do with Aryans. And finally I don't understand the Armenian fascination with proving that we were once blond/blue (I should admit I am one of them sometimes) Who cares? Is being dark haired with olive skin tone (which we are today) bad? Can anyone comment about this?

That is what the jews PORTRAY Hitler to be because they demonize those they hate. That really has no bearing in this discussion. And if you looked at your history, kid, GERMANS have all that there is to do with ARYANS.

I implied this earlier and you still are at loggerheads. One more time:

ARYANS and ARYAN PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NAZI GERMANY. THEY USED THE ARYAN TITLE FOR A DIFFERENT CAUSE JUST LIKE THE SWASTIKA. THAT LITTLE SYMBOL WAS ONCE USED BY ROMANS AND ARMENIANS FOR A DIFFERENT MOTIVE. ARYANS ALL HAVE A RICH HISTORY BEHIND IT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NAZIS. Are we clear now?

[IvyLipstick]

Anonymous, Hitler was lunatic and I think it's been written over and over that the Germans have nothing to do with Aryans. And finally I don't understand the Armenian fascination with proving that we were once blond/blue (I should admit I am one of them sometimes) Who cares? Is being dark haired with olive skin tone (which we are today) bad? Can anyone comment about this?

WHAT?! Kid, listen ALL White people were light complected with blue/green eyes. It is not a "fascination" it is a true genetically biological fact. The red blonde hair with the blue green eyes is a WHITE GENETIC MUTATION going back to Biology. And who is we?! Most of the Armenians I know are really light colored. Please do not mold your Arabic/Persian mixed genes with the rest of my friends, thank you. Every WHITE person or culture from Italians to Spaniards and Armenians were very LIGHT skinned and light eyed and haired. It is just that the several culture clashes they had with the dark people e.g. Arabs and Persians, and since DARK genes dominate, they turned and came out looking like them.


Italians (all white at first) 400 years later after Rome had Arabs from North AFrica invade them and pillage THUS spreading and turning all of their genes (south Italy) dark with dark eyes hair and skin.

Spaniards (all white at first) before the unification of Aragon and the two divided Kingdoms (Isabella and Ferdinand) they also were pillaged by darkies (Moors aka Arabs) from northern Africa THUS GIVING and SPREADING all of that dark gene inside them (southern Spain).

Armenia (all white at first) but unfortunately they had a myriad of pillagings from dark people from the middle east that carried that dark gene i.e. Arabs and Persians then finally Turks who came from central Asia. Then, 1000 years later after that Aryan movement and Armenia slowly becomes a kingdom in Anatolia, the dark genes also dilate and SPREAD amongst Armenians thus now giving THEM the dark genes and or skin (southern Armenia and all around).

[IvyLipstick]

And just because a certain group of people POINT OUT and ACKNOWLEDGE in their texts of that place slapping it every label it does not mean that it is automatically a product of that race or ethnicity. The Romans refer to Armenia a little bit as well and France and Germany saying they were "barbarians." What, that means it is true? Germans are a product of Romans except they were the ugly "barbarian half?"

[IvyLipstick]

also another armenian forum website has a similar discussion that I found interesting to read, take a look...they also discuss who is Hayasa etc.

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How Is Urartu The First Armenian Kingdom?

(I am new to this, can someone explain to me how come the website I am trying to type in above does not show up? Thanks)

No no, it is just like the Etruscans and the Romans. They say they were both ETHNICALLY STILL Italians. However, since among those two groups one always dominates the other, the Romans came up on top. Same with Urartu they say like it was an Armenian kingdom whom 1st all of the Assyrians refered to as "arartu" to supposedly classify it as Ararat. But really, no one knows for a fact what they exactly were. Most scholars say it was just another Armenian kingdom that prospered a little too fast. Just like Nairi. Again, another unification of a few tribes but not ALL of the Tribes as it was done during the 200s AD.

[IvyLipstick]

Armenians I am afraid have a lot of enemies such as the Jews that publish a lot of skewed perspectives to really tamper with your facts. Some say Armenians did not even exist, that is why every piece of false info. you read that is too stupid to appear true, you probably should question its validity and source.

[kikki88]

Armenians I am afraid have a lot of enemies such as the Jews that publish a lot of skewed perspectives to really tamper with your facts. Some say Armenians did not even exist, that is why every piece of false info. you read that is too stupid to appear true, you probably should question its validity and source.

I've heard Jews refer to Armenians in Israel/Palestine as Arabs. I also heard Arabs classifying Armenians as type of Arabs. Sounds bizarre, right? In fact, recently there was an article published in the UC Irvine online newspaper that appeared in Groong where an Egyptian Arab was claiming how Armenians are Semitic (???) and that we are brothers. I wrote a letter correcting this mistake. Basically I felt like if we don't have "the guns" in our hands constantly proving who we are, we'll be thrown into some category of Arabs and pretty soon be wiped out of the history books.

[kikki88]

Also, I want to mention one thing. Like written before, I am new to this forum (btw much older than most of you and I am glad Armenians are interacting in these forums. However, what's with the name calling. If we don't respect ourselves how do we expect others to respect us? These kind of intellectual arguments need to be intellectual idea/thought exchanges and we should respect each others opinions because without diverse opinion we can never have a healthy Armenian nation. We post things to exchange thoughts, we are not competing on who knows more or who is better or who has the best facts. We simply want to learn from each other. Let's respect each other! Thanks.