Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

[gkv]

Re: Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

speaking of resurrection, the latest avatar was sort of unexpected although we could definitely feel something a few years ago, some sort of movement towards zoroastrianism... maybe a little taste for agitprop too.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

The Lords of Hattusa - The Ancient Hittite Empire

Interesting documentary of this Ancient Empire... in the highlands of Anatolia, much like Armenia today, was landlocked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcoD2mHocvc

[Sasun]

Re: Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

Armenian,
I just came accross this site. Love it. Most info is a few years old though. First a question for you. I am looking for information on the Nairi. I do not mean just a few paragraphs. I mean, books, pamphlets, research material! Same for Sasun, not 1800's but beginnings (i.e. founding of Sasun). Have you come accross the name Tarauntis? Do you have any material linking Armenians to Hittitites? I always thought it was logical but never found any material to back up such a theory.
Now a comment. I do not agree with your Pantheon. I would not include Hayk & Ara Geghetzik as deities. Legendary Heroes or Demigods, yes. Also, I think you are missing a god of the underworld. In Armenian Lore it was Spantaramet I believe.
Best Regards,
Sasun

[Armenian]

Well my friend, perhaps its your inherent bias, but I think you left out some people from your list. In fact, you may as well replace Afgans because there are no to very few Afgans in Russia. I know for a fact that there are Armenian gangsters who are in the same gangs in Russia with those who are supposed to be our enemies -- the Azeris. And the fact that they are recognised as Armenians is an embarassment. And another very natural thing for people to do, is to generalise which leads to backlash against a whole community.

No Skhara, its not my bias.

Simply put, my comments had nothing to do with "gangsters" or organized crime in Russia, which is fairly wide-spread and includes all kinds of peoples. I was essentially talking about the life-styles and mentalities of non-Russians living within Russia. It is well known that Russian Armenians, generally speaking, are more Russian than Armenian. Moreover, most Russian Armenians, generally speaking, are working class proffessionals with good educations.

The same cannot be said of Asiatics, Chechens, Azeris, Georgians and, yes, Afghans who live within various Russian cities. Regarding Afghans: I think there are over a million of them in Russia today.

[skhara]

Hey, Assyrians are cool.

Depends on the Assyrian. But you didn't take the comment in context.

Look at the way Azeris, Georgians, Chechens and Afghans behave in Russia.

Well my friend, perhaps its your inherent bias, but I think you left out some people from your list. In fact, you may as well replace Afgans because there are no to very few Afgans in Russia.

I know for a fact that there are Armenian gangsters who are in the same gangs in Russia with those who are supposed to be our enemies -- the Azeris. And the fact that they are recognised as Armenians is an embarassment. And another very natural thing for people to do, is to generalise which leads to backlash against a whole community.

[TomServo]

Depends on the Assyrian. But you didn't take the comment in context.

What's cooler than cool? Ice cold.

[skhara]

Hey, Assyrians are cool.

Depends on the Assyrian. But you didn't take the comment in context.

[TomServo]

Hey, Assyrians are cool.

[Armenian]

But still, humans have other natural behaviours that are ugly as sin. This one needs to go as well.

I agree, but let me put the shoe on the other foot.

Would you want, lets say, Assyrians, xxxs, Yezdis, Parsiks, Indians, over populating Yerevan? Would you want them taking jobs away from Hayastantsis? Would you want them engaging in crime activity within Hayastan? Would you want them to impose their culture upon us? Would you want them to turn our towns into slums?

I'm sure the answer is no.

And the answer would be no regardless of the excuses. As such, Europeans have the right to reject 'others' from within their nations.

If a Frenchman has a problem with Armenians in France, its not Armenians as per say he has a problem with, its the non-French in France he has a problem with. I happen to agree with the anti-foreigner sentiments of many Europeans today. Look at the culture of Algerians, Pakistanis and the Turks within Europe. Look at the way Azeris, Georgians, Chechens and Afghans behave in Russia.

How can anyone expect the Europeans and the Russians to tolerate that type of filth withn their nations? Unfortunatenly, however, we Armenian often get caught in the middle of these socio-economic problems.

[karoaper]

Again, Karo, its their country they can do as they please. Its as simple as that. I am not saying the French are a happy-go-lucky bunch, but we Armenians should not "expect" hospitality within other nations - regardless for the situations we are faced with. Besides, for the typical ignorant Frenchmen Armenian imigrants look and act like typical Middle Easterners, especially the our genocide survivors who were more-or-less very Turkified.

Skhara had it right, this type of bigotry is natural human behaviour, especially for the French - who are world famous for their snotty attitudes. Again, Armenians need to stop their diasporan mentality. If you want to be an Armenian and act like an Armenian - then you need to live in Armenia. However, if circumstances forces you to live "elsewhere" then you must put up with "otar" attitudes.

Ditto.
We agree in a nutshell. But still, humans have other natural behaviours that are ugly as sin. This one needs to go as well.