Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

[Armenian]

But Armenians hardly overwhelmed France. Plus they weren't political or economic refugies. They were survivors who in all fairness needed some nation to welcome them.

Again, Karo, its their country they can do as they please. Its as simple as that. I am not saying the French are a happy-go-lucky bunch, but we Armenians should not "expect" hospitality within other nations - regardless for the situations we are faced with. Besides, for the typical ignorant Frenchmen Armenian imigrants look and act like typical Middle Easterners, especially the our genocide survivors who were more-or-less very Turkified.

Skhara had it right, this type of bigotry is natural human behaviour, especially for the French - who are world famous for their snotty attitudes. Again, Armenians need to stop their diasporan mentality. If you want to be an Armenian and act like an Armenian - then you need to live in Armenia. However, if circumstances forces you to live "elsewhere" then you must put up with "otar" attitudes.

[karoaper]

Again, I agree with you my young friend. Generally speaking, we Armenians loose sense of reality and objectivity when discussing such sensitive matters.

Why should the French, the Russian, or anybody else for that matter, happily accept other nationalities within their respective nations? What we Armenians have is a poor case of - please accept us we are homeless - diaspora mentality.

If I, as an Armenian, have choosen to live within a country other than my homeland, I should not expect to be treated with white gloves all the time. Its as simple as that.

Its *THEIR* country for God sake!

If one day Armenia prospers and we are overwhelmed with non-Armenian imigrants coming into our nation for work and/or refuge, I would want Armenians to be just as harsh towards them - whoever they may be.

Armenia for Armenians.

France for the French. Russia for Russians. Germany for Germans. Greece for the Greeks...

But Armenians hardly overwhelmed France. Plus they weren't political or economic refugies. They were survivors who in all fairness needed some nation to welcome them. Even Armenians escaping into modern Armenia had to be welcomed by a foreign nation. I'd like to think that if Armenia become prosperous and the next day Greeks were being hunted down, we would welcome them. That would be different than welcoming hoards of legal or illegal immigrants who don't necessarily add anything to the host nation.

In addition Armenians anywhere in those times at least were assets to the host nations. Except today's idiots in LA mostly, Armenians have always become the hardest and most talented citizens of the host nation. SUch behaviour is hardly worthy of blind and retarded racism. But then again blind racism is retarded. By the way, my dislike and distrust of turks is not racism. Racism is unwarranted dislike of someone, ie. based on superficial factors, like race. Our feelings of turks are based on hard facts. The discrimination Armenians or other races suffered is usually the result of morons who are ashamed of their race's weeknesses and rather than do something about it, turn their insecurities against others.

[Armenian]

Well Karo, When I googled the film, I saw that some of the actors playing Armenians in the film were French and Spanish (something to think about).

Again, I agree with you my young friend. Generally speaking, we Armenians loose sense of reality and objectivity when discussing such sensitive matters.

Why should the French, the Russian, or anybody else for that matter, happily accept other nationalities within their respective nations? What we Armenians have is a poor case of - please accept us we are homeless - diaspora mentality.

If I, as an Armenian, have choosen to live within a country other than my homeland, I should not expect to be treated with white gloves all the time. Its as simple as that.

Its *THEIR* country for God sake!

If one day Armenia prospers and we are overwhelmed with non-Armenian imigrants coming into our nation for work and/or refuge, I would want Armenians to be just as harsh towards them - whoever they may be.

Armenia for Armenians.

France for the French. Russia for Russians. Germany for Germans. Greece for the Greeks...

[skhara]

People flee their homes as they loose their loved ones and end in a country that welcomes them, but are treated by the citizens as second class citizens.

Well Karo,

When I googled the film, I saw that some of the actors playing Armenians in the film were French and Spanish (something to think about).

Also, these people were fresh immigrants and likely not the only Armenian family that fled to France. In fact, at the time, I would assume that the Armenian migrants were fairly visible right?

Now think about history for a minute, and the American immigration in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Italians, Irish, Poles, and others, were discriminated against when their migrations waves were landing on the east coast. It seems that discrimination against immigrants is a pretty common phenomenon and it typically disappears when the people become integrated.

So I really can't imagine that French anything would be targetting Armenians. Armenians in France are pretty "Frenchified", integrated, and are easily pointed out only by their last names.

Look at it this way, no one is immigrating to Armenia, but what if they were, don't you think they would face discrimination from the local Armenians? Would it have anything to do with White Nationalists, or would it be a fairly typical reaction?

[bell-the-cat]

I'd be curious to learn how the survivors were treated in Europe as compared to Greece/Cyprus and Middle East.

A glance at some of the French "Maigret" detective novels from the 1940s and 50s would give you a picture of treatment in France (unless you happened to be rich). And you can bet that French police haven't changed one jot, except now it is North African immigrants they abuse and heap their contempt on, rather than Armenian immigrants.

[karoaper]

No I have not seen the film, but I googled about it since you mentioned it. As I understand it is a film about an Armenian family that fled the genocide to France, correct?

Great film. I've been told that the book is much better. It is about that yeah. It was the ultimate double whammy. People flee their homes as they loose their loved ones and end in a country that welcomes them, but are treated by the citizens as second class citizens.

I'd be curious to learn how the survivors were treated in Europe as compared to Greece/Cyprus and Middle East.

[skhara]

Not really and I don't think it was in modern times. It's something that was reported years back while I was still in Armenian. But, if you've seen Mayrik by Henri Verneuil, you'll know what I mean.

No I have not seen the film, but I googled about it since you mentioned it. As I understand it is a film about an Armenian family that fled the genocide to France, correct?

[karoaper]

I thought Brits are supposed to be funny.

Anyone heard this before?

Q: What is the defenition of European heaven?
A: French food, German technology, British humor.

Q: What is the definition of European hell?
A: German humor, French technology, British food.

Charlie Chaplin, Monty Python, etc. These are good. One thing though is if it's not silly slapstick, it's pretty dry.

[karoaper]

Karo, was this on the news somewhere. I've never heard it.

Not really and I don't think it was in modern times. It's something that was reported years back while I was still in Armenian. But, if you've seen Mayrik by Henri Verneuil, you'll know what I mean.

[skhara]

Read my numerous posts within the thread I posted earlier with objectivity and an open mind. And stop your flat English humor.

I thought Brits are supposed to be funny.

Anyone heard this before?

Q: What is the defenition of European heaven?
A: French food, German technology, British humor.

Q: What is the definition of European hell?
A: German humor, French technology, British food.