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  • #21
    It is unbelievable that this 301AD myth is still around and is still believed by some people. Have you all been living in a cave for the last 20 years?

    There are numerous examples of the modern research that has been done on this subject. And it was talked about in depth on hiforum years ago (during the 2001 "anniversary" year) - go search for the info there.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by TigranJamharian
      he only cites one author and one book for that statement, not "various widely available books on Armenian history written in English." get your facts straight
      He cites various books in various parts of the page - proving that his words are not his own opinions but are derived from other sources. For the 314 date he quotes A. E. Redgate's book "The Armenians", said to be one of the best books available on Armenia for a general reader. Redgate, obviously, got his info about that date from recent research papers and books.

      However, if you are someone who only believes in Armenian history when it is written by someone whose name ends in "ian", I suggest you check out Vreg Nersessian's book "Treasures From The Ark". In it, various possible dates for Trdat's conversion to Christianity are discussed, none are earlier than 305
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      • #23
        Originally posted by bell-the-cat
        It is unbelievable that this 301AD myth is still around and is still believed by some people. Have you all been living in a cave for the last 20 years?

        There are numerous examples of the modern research that has been done on this subject. And it was talked about in depth on hiforum years ago (during the 2001 "anniversary" year) - go search for the info there.
        Ok, (gets text books ready) Most of the people who are stating its 314 have not really reviewed there history. I have read the people who thought it was 314 and did the research. So here you go,

        In 311 Maximinus began war on the struggling Church of Armenia, but met with many repulses. (They lost the war to Armenians)

        A mountainous region of Western Asia occupying a somewhat indefinite area to the southeast of the Black Sea


        Can anyone explain to me why Maximinus is fighting the Church of Armenia, if the Armenians converted in 314?

        This is from a non-Armenian source, the Catholic Church. I think that alot of people including the people in hiforum have been hoodwinked regarding the 314 conversion date. There is also the THEORY that the Armenians accepted Christianity as a national religion after the "Decree of Milan" in about 312 AD. Well, there are actual historians that say there is no actual decree. I know for a fact that is wasn't 314 AD based on HISTORICAL EVENTS.

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        • #24
          dont even pay attention to that cat idiot, being hte only person who is stating that it was in 314 here. This person i dont know what nationality or what gender or what has not dont anything on this forum but try to contest every single positive event in Armenian hisotry and paint us as a nation of people who make up their history. maybe an unbiased view once in a while might make you a little more credible. It is obvious you have no other objective than what is bad for Armenia. you are a biased fool. go read some real history and get some straight facts before you try to argue your pathetic points again.

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          • #25
            thats the whole problem with ancient history.
            most historians look to Flavianos for historical dates. his book "Judian War" is book that was translated by Freightfanger.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by TigranJamharian
              and paint us as a nation of people who make up their history.
              You said it

              I would rarely trust anything from an Armenian source, without independent corroboration - same for Turkish sources (only even more so).
              Last edited by bell-the-cat; 10-21-2004, 03:20 PM.
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              • #27
                other sources like the greek and roman historians confirm this.

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                • #28
                  Now, now, it's a historical discussion, not ad hominem attacks.
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                  • #29
                    Hmm, not sure I should trust Redgate, if only because she fails to mention that Ararat is a sacred mountain for Armenians

                    Seriously, she has never even met an Armenian, never been to Armenia or anything like that and yet claims to be objective... That's like me writing my thesis on Apache Indian without ever hearing that language first hand, but only reading other people's accounts. How seriously would you take me?

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by nairi
                      Hmm, not sure I should trust Redgate, if only because she fails to mention that Ararat is a sacred mountain for Armenians

                      Seriously, she has never even met an Armenian, never been to Armenia or anything like that and yet claims to be objective... That's like me writing my thesis on Apache Indian without ever hearing that language first hand, but only reading other people's accounts. How seriously would you take me?
                      Not very seriously. In fact, to quote Marx, I would relegate you to the "dust bin of history".
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