Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

[TomServo]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

I pretty much look like the dude in my avatar.

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

I pretty much look like the dude in my avatar.

reminds me of adam sandler, sort of, except with big hair.

[TomServo]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

reminds me of adam sandler, sort of, except with big hair.

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Vous les quebecois ne pouvez même pas parler le français correctement, petits campagnards.

Correctement? Le francais des Quebecois y est la langue de la nobilite. Apres les revolutions francaises, la langue authentique de la france a ete remplace par la langues des campagnards, mais la langue des Quebecois n'y avait jamais change. C'est presque la meme cas pour les Icelandais et les Norveges...

Pardonnez-moi pour la manque des accents, j'en n'ai pas une clavier francaise.

[skhara]

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Interesting... First of all, what is a Medd? I've never heard of that term and can't seem to find out what it is on the internet.

"Medd" referes to Mediteranean. He may have misspelled it, and added an extra d . Except the way Armenian uses it is a pretty broad term. There are differences between "Meds", hence "Med" types are further grouped. The major component amongst Armenians is Eastern Med. The common Med type in Europe is Atlanto Med. Eastern Med componnents are also plenty in Turkey and Lebanon, also a decent amount in Greece and Bulgaria, although, in Greece especially, there are more Atlanto-Meds. In the East of the Mediteranean is where Eastern Meds are found . Very few Armenians are Atlanto-Med.

and group us together with the Georgians,

What is your objection to this? Georgians represent a typical south Caucasian type, the predominant type amonst Caucasian Armenians, although there are more "lighter" types more similar with North Caucasian groups.

Azeris,

Azeris are mainly Irano-Afgan. Some amounts of Irano-Afgan elements exist amongst Armenians, but probably not enough to be "lumped" with them.

many Turks

Many turks are former Armenians so that is not entirely out of the question.

and "even" Kurds

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Even kurds have former Armenians so that is not entirely out of the question.

They say that our blood is what's responsible for the sadism and that cunning look found in the xxxs.

I have a pretty good idea of what you were reading, except they would be greatly challenged in findin sadistic practices amongst Armenians.

Thirdly, how are we Alpine (even though we may resemble them)? They live all the way in, generally speaking, Switzerland!

I was a reading a Russian anthropological article which talked of the Alpine race. It proposed several locations for the development of the Alpine race. The thesis was that the Alpine race developed in one place and that Alpines of the Caucasus and the Alpines of Central Europe have the same ancestors -- ones have been "Nordicized", the others "Medicized".

Fourthly, this mix you speak of... Is it a well rounded mix, or do some Armenians appear more, say Dinaric than others (which seems likely if you ask me).

Genotypes are not the same thing as phenotypes. What you say is true and may even be true when it comes to siblings.

BTW, "Dinaricism" occurs by blending Alpines with longer faced types.

[jgk3]

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thank you for the informative response. I appreciate it.

[TomServo]

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nice site, the tree of Indo-European languages is impressive.

As far as the Indo-European connection, I heard that Armenoids had originally come down to Armenia from the north several millenia BC. And originally they were blue eyed and lighter skinned. This of course changed with time. I had a hard time believeing this, but it's interesting to note that Hayk is actually blue eyed and blond. I know he's a mythical hero, but still, it's like there was a memory in our ancestors' minds of being lighter.

My understanding is that "Armenoids" are more olive-skinned and have large noses.

Not all Armenians are Armenoids. I remember when I was at Lake Sevan I bought a bottle of water from a boy who had dirty blonde hair and hazel eyes. His grandfather (who was with him), however, looked more "Armenoid." Maybe his mother was a Molokan or something. Maybe she was a Subbotnik Hrya?

[jgk3]

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Well, from the sources I read, I saw that Armenoids are merely darker Dinarics. In any case, I see Alpine features very often in Armenians too, so I don't care to resort to the idea we're all Armenoid either.

Besides, Skhara's post here suggests that Dinaricism occurs by blending Alpines with longer face types.
In the Armenian populace, we have a fair share of short face types and long face types.

I'm not perfect at defining all the phenotypes when I see them. for example, what category does a compact yet squarish face fall into, with a long, straight nose and long narrow nostrils, and a large round chin easily defined from the rest of the face?

[ARK]

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The Medes are actually the ancient Iranians who lived mainly in the north of Persia, a region which is populated by azeris these days and according to some historians the so called Iranian azeris are in fact the ancient medes who have been turkified during centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

[TomServo]

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I thought it was the Kurds who claimed to be descendants of the Medeans.