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  • #111
    Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

    Originally posted by diaukhi View Post
    I love how armenians changes names: tao (tayk), javakheti(javakhk), akhalkalaki(akhalkalak), akhaltsikhe(akhaltsakh), lore(lori)
    "-k" was/is an armenian suffix.

    Hay-k (old Armenian) = Hay-(a)stan ("Armenia" in Armenian)
    Aghvan-k (or Ałvan-k) = Alban-ia (don't forget how b and v are interchangeable)
    Javakh-k (Armenian)= Javakh-eti (Georgian)= Zabakh-a (Urartian)
    (t)sop-k (Armenian)= Soph-ene (Hellenic)
    Vir-k (old Armenian)= Vr-(a)stan ("Georgia" in Armenian, if I'm not mistaken about this one)
    It's like:
    Atropat-ene (Hellenic)= Aturpat-akan (Iranic)
    Cordu-ene/Kordu-ene/Gordy-ene (Hellenic)= Kurdi-stan (Iranic)
    Cyrpr-us (Latin)= Kipr-os (Hellenic)
    Aegypt-us (Latin)= Aígypt-os (Hellenic) = Yegipt-os (Helleno-Armenian)
    Armen-ia (Greek)= Ermen-(i)stan (Irano-Turkic)

    If you think accusing Armenians of changing names in this way (using their language's suffix for place names) is giving your arguments credence, it shows how 'primitive' your knowledge on these topics is.
    Last edited by SevSpitak; 03-19-2011, 02:23 PM.

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    • #112
      Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

      Originally posted by SevSpitak View Post
      "-k" was/is an armenian suffix.

      Hay-k (old Armenian) = Hay-(a)stan ("Armenia" in Armenian)
      Aghvan-k (or Ałvan-k) = Alban-ia (don't forget how b and v are interchangeable)
      Javakh-k (Armenian)= Javakh-eti (Georgian)= Zabakh-a (Urartian)
      (t)sop-k (Armenian)= Soph-ene (Hellenic)
      Vir-k (old Armenian)= Vr-(a)stan ("Georgia" in Armenian, if I'm not mistaken about this one)
      It's like:
      Atropat-ene (Hellenic)= Aturpat-akan (Iranic)
      Cordu-ene/Kordu-ene/Gordy-ene (Hellenic)= Kurdi-stan (Iranic)
      Cyrpr-us (Latin)= Kipr-os (Hellenic)
      Aegypt-us (Latin)= Aígypt-os (Hellenic) = Yegipt-os (Helleno-Armenian)
      Armen-ia (Greek)= Ermen-(i)stan (Irano-Turkic)

      If you think accusing Armenians of changing names in this way (using their language's suffix for place names) is giving your arguments credence, it shows how 'primitive' your knowledge on these topics is.
      k meaning?

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      • #113
        Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

        Originally posted by diaukhi View Post
        k meaning?
        ..........did you even read? A suffix.

        More precisely, it's pronounced "q" and its purpose is to make a term plural. However, in this case, it plays the exact same role as the Georgian -eti, or Iranian -stan, or Hellenic -ia, etc. It was eventually dropped out of use in place for the Hellenic -ia and Iranian -stan, but it has still remained as an archaic element in some names (such as Javakhq, Tsopq, Aghvanq, etc.). This is irrelevant to your argument, though. You used the fact that Armenians add their language's suffix to place names to accuse Armenians of "changing names."

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        • #114
          Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

          I think, in this exsamples georgians changed names - Djawaxk/Djawaheti and others...

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          • #115
            Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

            I doubt Mamikonian was Chinese. How did his family gain so much power in our kingdom if he was an odar? I think china is kind of like saying "ohh he's from god knows where.." or maybe he was Armenian living in China, but not Chinese. tho i got no evidence to back that up.

            The "K" at the end just means its a place, its not like we are Changing anythings name. we are saying the regions name in our language is all.


            BTW a bit off topic but: In pure Armenian "K" is roughly equal to "stan" why do we even use the Persian suffix in our language. Id be all for going back to our roots it not only is our language, but it sounds cooler IMO, HAYK not hayastan, Stan makes us sound so... Persian and turkic and muslim.. its not even part of our language. i know personally i always preferred to call Armenia Hayk when thinking to myself.
            Last edited by Odysseus; 05-31-2011, 09:43 PM. Reason: spelling

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            • #116
              Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

              Originally posted by Lion1700 View Post
              I think, in this exsamples georgians changed names - Djawaxk/Djawaheti and others...
              u are right we changed names like vardzunik-vardzia, tapazdghur-tabatskuri, khrtviss-khertvisi, koghtapert-kokhtastavi, kumbirda-kumudro, qobayr-qoberi, asbnchaghad-aspinza and others
              Last edited by diaukhi; 12-06-2011, 03:34 PM.

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              • #117
                Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

                speaking of vartan mamikonian, does anyone know if his tomb still physically exists in the saint karapet monestary ruins in western armenia? i know the monestary is destroyed, but his tomb might not be...

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                • #118
                  Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

                  Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                  speaking of vartan mamikonian, does anyone know if his tomb still physically exists in the saint karapet monestary ruins in western armenia? i know the monestary is destroyed, but his tomb might not be...
                  It does not.
                  The square with an X in it is the tomb (inside the large hall-like chamber).
                  Click image for larger version Name: surpkarapet.jpg Views: 1 Size: 100.6 KB ID: 538787
                  Plenipotentiary meow!

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                  • #119
                    Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                    It does not.
                    Any background to this?
                    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                    • #120
                      Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

                      mamikonian was chan and chans were kartvelian tribe

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