Origins of the name Yerevan

[karoaper]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

I recommend you guys to watch the Chinese made movie called "Warriors of Heaven and Earth". Besides being a beautiful film, it showcases the original turks, called by that name Turk, as hordes of barbaric nomadic bastards who terrorize the heroes of the movie. They ride on horses and carry flags with the picture of a wolf. These are quite simply the forefathers of all the turks spread all around the world today. I think these forefathers would be very proud of their descendants.

Oh, anyone who says that Sumerians spoke Turkish should . In fact we should get the suicide smilie added here for the times when we get infested with turks.

[RSNATION]

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Before you read the following passage, please read and compare.

I have am currently working on a financing for a project in the Turks & Caicos Islands, have been there several times and know the history, culture, politics of the Caribbean quite well. The first passage explains the roots of Turks & Caicos. The second passage by in the Turkish Daily News attests to official Turkish Revisionism and Ataturk's "Sun Theory" relating everything to Turks.


"HOW WAS TURKS & CAICOS ISLANDS NAME DERIVED?

The popular story is the name Turks being derived after the indigenous Turk's Head "fez" cactus, pictured on the left, and the name Caicos, a Lucayan term "caya hico," meaning string of islands.

A more romantic, origin of the name is a reflection of the Islands' pirate history, when 17th and 18th century pirates used the islands as hideouts and preyed upon the passing Spanish treasure ships bound for Europe. The term "Turk" for a pirate stemmed two centuries earlier when the Ottoman Empire dominated the Mediterranean and Turkish corsairs harried European Atlantic shipping, thus translated "Turks" Islands becomes "Pirate" Islands!

The non-intuitive nom is often mispelt as Turks and Cacos and Turk and Caicos Islands. We have even see an occasional envelope arrive with the address 'Turks and Tacos' ! And speaking of mail, some mail arriving here has been branded with a trail of postmarks showing its trip here via a small detour to Turkey. "

Now read the nationalist Turkish version. I guess he subscribes to Ataturks "SUN THEORY"

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...?enewsid=47991

Turks discovered America first

Wednesday, July 5, 2006



Historian Yurtsever says he has broken the codes of Ottoman Admiral Piri Reis and claims Turks founded a country in the Americas
ANKARA – Turkish Daily News

**Historian Cezmi Yurtsever said he had*broken the secret codes of a map belonging to*16th century Ottoman Admiral Piri Reis and claimed that the Turks had discovered America 25 years before Christopher Colombus, establishing a government in the New World.

**Speaking at a press conference he said he thought boats drawn on the map east of Cuba could have been a code for something and upon investigation, ascertained*that there was a country called Turks and Caicos in the vicinity.

**?It is no coincidence that a country with the word 'Turk' in its name*exists*there. As Piri Reis was drawing*up*his map in 1513, he was using both Colombus' map and certain information that only he knew. Hundreds of years later, we see a country called Turks and Caicos.? He also said Caicos sounded similar to "kay?k" (boat) in Turkish, and referred*to the country as "Turks and Boats" for the duration of his press conference.*

**?Further research showed that the capital of the country of Turks and Boats, the Grand Turk, was the way Europeans used to describe Ottoman Sultan Süleyman. What's even more surprising is the fact that in 1869, the Grand Turk's flag featured the Ottoman crescent and three stars. All these facts show that the state of Turks and Boats, which is still part of the British Commonwealth, was founded by Turks loyal to the Ottoman Empire.?

**Yurtsever said Turks arrived in America 25 years before Colombus, claiming that the Ottoman symbol featured in the flag was removed in 1873.

**He said world history needs to be reassessed after the codes of Piri Reis's map are further analyzed.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

no turks dont read, just armenians read.. yerevan is of course from the turkish name Erivan.. u read an international history and see the reality.
so u think turks were not here till middle ages??? what a history... what u know about sumers! they were talking turkish, tradition turkish and religion like ancieant turks and were they from space? Urartus are armenians or kurdish or persian state? turks dont read, so can u explain us...
i have never heard that armenians had ther own independent state till 1991 and have u ever visit turkiye and armenia? one starving and one in abundance... dont judge urself,, ask ur relatives who lives in turkiye...
i have armenian friend too, thanks god he dont have prejudge such as you ignorant..

There is absolutely no evidence, historical, archaeological or otherwise, to indicate that Turkish is somehow a relation or offshoot of Sumerian, and no competent ethnographer, archaeologist, anthropologist, or linguist will or can claim as such. Specific cases of Turkish 'scholars' trying to claim such for the purposes of propaganda, and to challenge supposedly in their delusional minds, the general knowledge that Turks were an invading force unwelcome to the region, do not suffice.

[jgk3]

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He goes out and says Urartuan is an Uralic-Altaic language, and he asks us to show him tablets that prove that Armenians are the sons of Urartuans?

I'm actual curious about what sources he's read, and what kind of evidence those sources use to sound believable.

If this guy knew anything about Turks, he should know that the spread of their language is relatively recent, and it started from a very small region in Central Asia that was very far from the Caucasus. Urartu is at least 2000 years older than the start of Turkish migrations across Asia.... How can his assertians possibly make sense?

[RSNATION]

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He goes out and says Urartuan is an Uralic-Altaic language, and he asks us to show him tablets that prove that Armenians are the sons of Urartuans?

I'm actual curious about what sources he's read, and what kind of evidence those sources use to sound believable.

If this guy knew anything about Turks, he should know that the spread of their language is relatively recent, and it started from a very small region in Central Asia that was very far from the Caucasus. Urartu is at least 2000 years older than the start of Turkish migrations across Asia.... How can his assertians possibly make sense?

It's the Ataturk "Sun Theory" which has no scientific basis whatsoever but was invented by Ataturk and his cronies to help forment increased nationalism. If the Turks argue that the Urartians are Turks then they are also arguing that the Armenians are Turks which is a farce. As we and every archeologist and scientist knows (baring Turkish nationalists) is that the Armenian language is related to both Phrygian and Urartrian and the people themselves are the descendents of Hittites, Urartrians, and Phrygians.

[jgk3]

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The trouble with the assertion that Armenian is related to Phrygian is that apparently we have a limited supply of Phrygian texts to study. If you can show me a link that shows actual coherent connections between Phrygian and Armenian texts, I'd like to see it, because from the little I've read (from Mallory's book, In the Search of the Indo-Europeans), I was unable to relate much other than perhaps the indo-european spirit of the language.

Usually, we just generalize with this statement because of the geographical proximity of Phrygian and Armenian cultures as well as their common connections and involvement of the old Hittite culture. Also, Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus have made statements such as Armenians being Phrygian colonists... so it only makes sense to classify their two languages together.

So again, if you have links or something that can actually make and explain the relations between the Armenian and Phrygian language beyond the basic fact that they are both Indo-European, it would be greatly appreciated.

[RSNATION]

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The trouble with the assertion that Armenian is related to Phrygian is that apparently we have a limited supply of Phrygian texts to study. If you can show me a link that shows actual coherent connections between Phrygian and Armenian texts, I'd like to see it, because from the little I've read (from Mallory's book, In the Search of the Indo-Europeans), I was unable to relate much other than perhaps the indo-european spirit of the language.

Usually, we just generalize with this statement because of the geographical proximity of Phrygian and Armenian cultures as well as their common connections and involvement of the old Hittite culture. Also, Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus have made statements such as Armenians being Phrygian colonists... so it only makes sense to classify their two languages together.

So again, if you have links or something that can actually make and explain the relations between the Armenian and Phrygian language beyond the basic fact that they are both Indo-European, it would be greatly appreciated.

It's been awhile since I researched it so it may take some time but it may have been a theory that basically mirrors what you said in your last sentence, that both Phyrgian and proto-Armenian are related insomuch as they are both Indo-European and due to the close proximity of the peoples could be somewhat related. I'll search it out.

Perhaps like the Basques in Spain, the origins of our languages seem to escape a definitive answer. Interesting topic nonetheless. What I have read on numerous occasions is that a people known as the Urartrians developed from tribes located around Lake Van from the vestiges of the Hittites.

[jgk3]

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yeah, that seems probable, however they had their own twist. Apparently, their language is not Indo-European and is often paired up with Hurrian in their own respective language group. I've also heard that Sumerian was not a Semitic language either, and I've read a chart or two where Sumerian, Urartian, Hurrian and Ugaritic would have words sharing a same linguistic root, perhaps trying to suggest that all these languages belong to an older language group that dissociated by the time Semitic and Indo-European languages began to expand in and out of the Middle East.

It is all very interesting, however, just because of the differences between the language groups of the languages spoken by the cultures in these regions in different times, we cannot make the assumption that the cultures were not linked, or even intertwining with eachother. It is very possible that the non-Indo-European elements of the Urartuans was due to sheer politics or popularity of that language at the time, and that the general populations ruled by the Urartuan kingdoms spoke a variety of languages that can be classified as Indo-European, Semitic, Hurro-Urartuan-Sumerian and Kartvelian.

The Non-Indo-European language of Urartuans does indeed impose a mysterious and thought provoking element to the history or our ancestors and the middle east.

What's also strange to me is why Hittite, a language spoken in a region so close to the Armenian plateau, does not sound so much like Armenian. In fact, it has been said that this language has archaisms in it so old, they aren't even reflected in Sanskrit or Baltic languages. Why is it that Armenian sounds closer to Greek for example, than Hittite, when the later language was spoken in Anatolia, standing between historical Armenian and historical Greek lands? Perhaps the speakers Armenian/Greek/Iranian subgroup dissociated from the ancestors of the Hittite subgroup's speakers first, and then followed their respective migrations after dissociating into proto-Armenians, proto-Iranians and proto-Greeks.

The Hittite subgroup of Indo-European languages was archaic, and wasn't keeping up with the development the other Indo-European subgroups took part in. When the last civilizations using the language came to an end, it was finally dropped. Since Phrygia practically stemmed out of the exact same region the Hittites ruled, they were more influenced by the their language than the proto-Armenians who lived too far east from it's linguistic cultural influence?

[armenica]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

armenica,
You should not take Jurks that seriously. Honestly, based on mundar's posts, do you honestly think there can be an honest and intelligent debate?
They also think that "Anatolia" is from the *utkish "ana" and "dolu???" I will let you imagine the degree ignorance and obscurantism that reigns in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.
In the past, they have claimed themselves descendants of the Hittites and now Sumerians? Of course, neither the Hittites nor the Sumerians spoke an Ural-Altaic language, but that seems to be irrelevant to mentally underdeveloped *urks. It's also needless to say that Sumerians did not live in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

Well, this is not the first forum I'm a member of and definitely not the first where I see this kind of remarks. This forum, however, is an "Armenian" one, so the majority should already be familiar with the facts. But when you encounter any argumentation, regardless if they are nonsense or not, in other forums you must take for granted that there would be some people with no prior knowledge about this and they will take this as valid argumentation. That's why most I think that the majority of this arguments must not go unchallenged.

Nevertheless, I don't put to much energy and time in arguing with this kind of people (not that it requires that much efforts to prove them wrong in front of all), with letting them go unchallenged is a dangerous risk wich I don't think one should take lightly.

PS. Plus that it's quite fun and entertaining to push these people to reveal the most amazing facts about the educational system in which they have been brought up in.

[mdundar57]

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What idiots these Turks are.

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...