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  • #31
    Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

    Originally posted by karoaper View Post
    Rulers of Egypt, who were initially of Kurdish ancestry. They also ruled over the Holy Land, and were very hard on Christians. They brought in droves of Turkish, and apparently, Georgian (which I didn't know) slaves, who were promoted and at different points in time became the ruling families themselves.
    The Egyptian mamluks of Kurdish descent? - you're mixing up the mamluks and the Ayyubids, my friend.

    The Egyptian mamluks were originally recruited from Kipchaq Turks and Circassians, allthough in later centuries, most mamluks were recruited from Georgians and Armenians.

    However, you're quite right about them being really harsh on the Christians, and the Egyptian mamluks indeed conquered the Holy Land after they attacked and defeated the Mongols there.

    Originally posted by Էլիա View Post
    Sorry, but who are the Mamluks?
    Mamluks were the slave-soldiers that were commonly trained and used in the Muslim world.

    Many Muslim rulers throughout the Muslim world recruited slave boys that were then converted to Islam and trained as soldiers.

    However, it wasn't uncommon for such slave soldiers to overthrow their masters at some point, and that's exactly what happened in Egypt in 1254; the mamluks there overthrew and killed the Ayyubid sultan al-Ashraf II.

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    • #32
      Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

      Ok, I checked and indeed I was wrong about Mamluks being of Kurdish decent. However, the Mamluk order was heavily used by Salladin's sons, which is where I must have been confused. Thanks for the correction.

      But, I wonder where did you read that Mamluks recruited Armenian boys? I haven't seen anything suggesting this. It doesn't make sense especially since Mamluks had warred with the Armenian kingdom of Kilikia, and my understanding is that the young boys were taken from peoples with whom they had normal relationships.

      At any rate, there can't even be a comparison between the Georgian involvement in that organization, what with Georgians Usman and Ibrahim Beg becoming Mamluk rulers, and that of Armenians.

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      • #33
        Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

        Originally posted by Ardashir View Post
        The Egyptian mamluks of Kurdish descent? - you're mixing up the mamluks and the Ayyubids, my friend.

        The Egyptian mamluks were originally recruited from Kipchaq Turks and Circassians, allthough in later centuries, most mamluks were recruited from Georgians and Armenians.

        However, you're quite right about them being really harsh on the Christians, and the Egyptian mamluks indeed conquered the Holy Land after they attacked and defeated the Mongols there.



        Mamluks were the slave-soldiers that were commonly trained and used in the Muslim world.

        Many Muslim rulers throughout the Muslim world recruited slave boys that were then converted to Islam and trained as soldiers.

        However, it wasn't uncommon for such slave soldiers to overthrow their masters at some point, and that's exactly what happened in Egypt in 1254; the mamluks there overthrew and killed the Ayyubid sultan al-Ashraf II.
        Evreything you have said is right except the part about the armenians. the Armenian Kingdom and the mameluks were enemies andI don't think they would accept armenians and I have never heard that part about the Armenians before


        Karo

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        • #34
          Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

          Originally posted by Armenian View Post
          THE ARMENIAN-GEORGIAN WAR OF 41918
          Cut the drugs.

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          • #35
            Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

            Originally posted by Կարմիր Բ View Post
            Cut the drugs.
            Well, I can explain, Bolshevik Junior. You see I had a 'premonition' of a future war that will be fought between Armenians and Georgians. OK, Stalin wannabe?
            Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

            Նժդեհ


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            • #36
              Re: If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

              Read artices about Armenian heavy cavalry and Armenian legions in http://www.armenian-history.com/

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              • #37
                Armenian mythology

                Read about Armenian Mythology, pantheon, legends, heroes in Armenian mythology

                armenian-history.com

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