USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

[Anoush]

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Anything Bryza says should not be put up by any Armenian. Folks, Bryza is married to a high-profile Turk... what do you expect? Just ignore the agent's statements.

Exactly!!!! At this point we might as well consider Matthew Bryza to be the turkish president Gul speaking and we cannot rely on his words nor should we ever accept it. Armenia must speak back to him fiercefully and ask for another.

[Anoush]

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QUOTE Contrarily, consider the secessionist movement of Quebec. Quebeqers are under no durress from their government, they are allowed their own official language, schools, churches, etc. and are in little to no threat of assimilation - in fact the "French-Canadian" identity is a unique identity in and of itself. Secessionist movements such as this need not necessarily be considered to have "valid grievances". It need not be a world-wide domino effect as some idiot American diplomats claim. UNQUOTE
yes you are right, but in our case we are dealing with turks and not canadians and like zoravar Antranik said in his time that turks don't change when he was invited by other armenian leaders to become like them a pm in the ottoman parliament, he answered I prefer to plant potatoes in my garden, 100 years after nothing has changed, just look at the 'modern' turkey behaviour towards armenia,and ironically one of their conditions to open borders with armenia is that armenia recognizes officially these borders, because these guys know very well that these borders are not legal, they are de facto and not the jure and we have to work hard on this issue too parallel to the genocide recognition matter.

Absolutely!!! And for your above highlighted statement I will back it up with Karekin Nejteh's words that these people are not a real nation and they cannot hold a truly civilized structured army. As you have heard the term in their own language; they are "basheB'oz'ooks"; uncivilized, unstructured and dehuman. Their DNA is 70% Greek nowadays. Their blood is mixed, and above all they are generally inhuman bunch of a crowd that ought to go back to Mongolia.

[Anoush]

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In my opinion this is one more front we're loosing on! azeris, turks, americans, and the rest of the merry bunch spit out whatever comes to their f-ing mind and all we do is shut the hell up!

Such statements should be retaliated from our govt's spokesmen in the most furious and extreme manner! Armenia should denounce such statements on the highest levels...Such a denouncal would be a good example:

"With great concern we heard Mr. Mathew Bryza's latest statement concerning the settlement of the NK conflict on the basis of azerbiajan's territorial integrity. We would like to remind the respectable co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk group that the statements he made do not coincide with the spirit of Madrid Principles of which the respected co-chairman is well aware.
Furthermore, on the basis of these statements the Republic of Armenia finds the participation of Mr. Bryza in the upcoming meetings of the OSCE Minsk Group extremely destructive to the peace process in the region and calls upon the US State Department for an official Statement regarding this issue."

Dear Snoopy, I couldn't agree with you more. I also believe that RA should maintain a much more fierceful language and attitude. As azerbaijan is not like any other civilized European government that you can live with peacefully. Our people will always live in fright and they will be massacred time and again from the azeris if they lived there under their regime. It's just impossible and not acceptable.

[Anoush]

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Dear Snoopy, I couldn't agree with you more. I also believe that RA should maintain a much more fierceful language and attitude. As azerbaijan is not like any other civilized European government that you can live with peacefully. Our people will always live in fright and they will be massacred time and again from the azeris if they lived there under their regime. It's just impossible and not acceptable.

[crusader1492]

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I think the Armenian Government does not take this man seriously because when he is in Yerevan, he will say somthing to the effect that "self determination should be the guiding principle blah blah".

He's just the mouthpeice for America, who seems to be hedging their bets right now.

Anyway, fow what it's worth, the man is scum.

[Snoopy12]

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@Anoush...agreed! we should have a more aggressive stance concerning the NK issue! Why the hell can azeris threathen us with war, the US threathen us with "territorial integrity"..while all we do is keep quiet!
I can understand that any aggressive statement from the Armenian side can escalate the situation, & do some serious damage to the stability of the Armenian economy & the investing environment in Armenia! Nonetheless! NK issue is an issue of principle & if Armenia does not want to engage in verbal conflict with the US for the sake of Mr. Bryza...The NKR can issue denounciations & consider Bryza a "Persona non grata"! Such that he would be left out of all the meetings that take place between OSCE co-chairmen and Karabakh authorities...
When such steps take place the US will soon realize that it is being left out of the peace process while the French & Russians are taking matters into their own hands. This would be somthing that the US could not allow! & soon would find a substitute for Bryza. Someone who would regain the trust of the Nagorno-Karabakh govt.

@everyone! Come on guys let's be serious here! we can't just say:"this is a turkish scumbag...married a turkish woman...nobody takes him seriously..bla bla bla"

This guys a co-chairman! and the entire US foriegn policy regarding NK issue is based on his reports!!

If the guy's a clown & we don't even have the ability to make a clown know it's limits...what the hell are we gonna do if a serious person showed up in the future and said the same thing!!

[meline]

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a @everyone! Come on guys let's be serious here! we can't just say:"this is a turkish scumbag...married a turkish woman...nobody takes him seriously..bla bla bla"

This guys a co-chairman! and the entire US foriegn policy regarding NK issue is based on his reports!!

Yes, Snoopy, he is a scumbag and a clown. And who cares whether the entire US policy is based on his reports or not!? The US has no clout in the Caucusus, never had and never will. Do you think they could ever play a decisive role in the region? Over the dead body of the Russian president

Plus, the other co-chair is France. Its foreign policy is diametrically opposite to that of the US and inspite of all that's been said about the French Diaspora, I believe we still wield a lot of influece there, judging by my humble imressions over the past 9 years.

Brysa just perfectly personifies the role of the US....a lot of empty talk....and no real influence.

[vasbourakan1]

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for my part I would consider both two aspects of bryza. of course he is a co chairman and his words have to be considered such as, but in the past he often made contradictory statements between while in baku and later in yerevan.
the other side is that he is married to a turkish woman makes me think of that infamous 'scholar' justin mccarthy from the university of pennsylvania, also married to a turkish woman and who participates to genocide denial seminars around the 24 april in turkey and holds his chair with the turkish contributions.
the foregoing makes me remember of a phrase of a turkish delegation member after the lausanne treaty -a treaty which is not legal for the armenian side- that a lot of personal factors had their role bringing this conference to the anti armenian result we know . must we understand money? or sex? or blackmail? personnally I would expect all those, why people who take position against armenians are linked in a way or other to turks by marriage or business like another infamous arab diplomat boutros ghaly a former secretary of the un who asked that armenians should leave artsakh and later on it appeared that his brother was in the oil business and obtained concessions in azerbaijan.

[Anoush]

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Dear Vasbourakan:

Your views are of course very valid and logical. Please would you be kind enough to scisinctly tell us that part of the lausanne treaty; how then the turkish delegation phrased their words and how was it that a lot of personal factors had their role in bringing that bloody conference to the anti Armenian result? I just want to know. Thank you in advance.

[crusader1492]

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