Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

[Haykakan]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Patting each other on the back like that will get you to exactly where you are today. Instead of going with a status quo that obviously does not work you need to do something else that might work. Take a new approach and set attainable goals and actually attain them instead of patting each other on the back for having tried the impossible and failed.

[Armanen]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Yeah like praise you for your voice of naivete since the dooms day of this black day of the protocols?

If Serj was a patriotic man or any other good patriotic president could have done is letting Russia know in no uncertain terms by bringing up intelligently political arguments that giving up our rights to Western Armenia is no way acceptable with us, thus it is immoral and turkey must pay us a renumeration by the return of our anscestral lands. When you give an inch to those barbaric people they will demand your whole arm and leg. Yes he certainly could have done that the Vasak Serj.

Anoush jan, remember what Njdeh said: "force bears law, but law bears force"

What am I trying to get at? When Armenia has enough power to militarily take back occupied parts of Armenia from turkey, then we can argue about the President of RA being a traitor and giving away things. For those who say we can get those lands back through international law, I ask, who will enforce a decision against turkey (if that were to occur)?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Anoush jan, remember what Njdeh said: "force bears law, but law bears force"

What am I trying to get at? When Armenia has enough power to militarily take back occupied parts of Armenia from turkey, then we can argue about the President of RA being a traitor and giving away things. For those who say we can get those lands back through international law, I ask, who will enforce a decision against turkey (if that were to occur)?

Just how do you suppose Armenia can militarily take back land from Turkey after signing a peace treaty of sorts and acknowledging the current borders?

[Haykakan]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Just how do you suppose Armenia can militarily take back land from Turkey after signing a peace treaty of sorts and acknowledging the current borders?

Because treaties are only written to be broken. It is just a piece of paper like the treaty russia and germany signed during ww2.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Because treaties are only written to be broken. It is just a piece of paper like the treaty russia and germany signed during ww2.

Once the young Armenian population gets pulled into the new found friendly Turkish population they aren't going to plan a covert op to kill their new found friends.

[Anoush]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Once the young Armenian population gets pulled into the new found friendly Turkish population they aren't going to plan a covert op to kill their new found friends.

Especially the Armenians. We are unfortunately lions among us but sheep towards non-Armenians. We are not killers and we are not extreme nationalists like a good part of the turkish people are until today. But we forget one very important element; and that is the turks and the turkish government are very very politically inclined, while we are not. That's the part that grossly scares me to be mingling with them. And the other part is that our government should put quotas and be careful about bringing in turks in RA; as we know they could have up to 9 children vs. our 1-2 children per family.

[Anoush]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

I also agree with you KndHye jan, that after the protocols are signed it would be difficult to undo the malice and have 50+ percent hope of regaining our anscestral lands back one day.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Especially the Armenians. We are unfortunately lions among us but sheep towards non-Armenians. We are not killers and we are not extreme nationalists like a good part of the turkish people are until today. But we forget one very important element; and that is the turks and the turkish government are very very politically inclined, while we are not. That's the part that grossly scares me to be mingling with them. And the other part is that our government should put quotas and be careful about bringing in turks in RA; as we know they could have up to 9 children vs. our 1-2 children per family.

Business relationships lead to friendships and other things and I don't see it being any different between the Armenian and Turkish populations. While I'm all for peace and reconciliation, that should only be based only on the terms that western Armenian lands belong to Armenians and we shouldn't be letting Turks or Armenians forget that.

[Anoush]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Business relationships lead to friendships and other things and I don't see it being any different between the Armenian and Turkish populations. While I'm all for peace and reconciliation, that should only be based only on the terms that western Armenian lands belong to Armenians and we shouldn't be letting Turks or Armenians forget that.

I totally agree with you KanadaHye jan, you speak the truth and what transpires my whole being about our cause and our lands. Shat abris!!!!

[Haykakan]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Your right, open borders should lead to friendlier mutually benefitial relations. But its not like we were so close to getting our lands back and now its all for nots because of the protocals. Face it you two, we cant even get the people we endorced to say the G word in public let alone get our lands back today or anytime in the near future. No politition, law, treaty... is gona get western Armenia back. First we have to build a strong state before we can worry about getting justice for ourselves. The treaty being signed is a step in that direction.