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Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

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  • #41
    Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    Your right, open borders should lead to friendlier mutually benefitial relations. But its not like we were so close to getting our lands back and now its all for nots because of the protocals. Face it you two, we cant even get the people we endorced to say the G word in public let alone get our lands back today or anytime in the near future. No politition, law, treaty... is gona get western Armenia back. First we have to build a strong state before we can worry about getting justice for ourselves. The treaty being signed is a step in that direction.
    I don't see how Armenian leaders can build a strong state when a 3 million population is competing economically with a 70 million Turkish population. There will be a mass exodus/brain drain from Armenia to Turkey instead of Armenia to America or Armenia to Russia. The only thing that I see Armenia successfully exporting is talent.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #42
      Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      I don't see how Armenian leaders can build a strong state when a 3 million population is competing economically with a 70 million Turkish population. There will be a mass exodus/brain drain from Armenia to Turkey instead of Armenia to America or Armenia to Russia. The only thing that I see Armenia successfully exporting is talent.
      The brain drain has been happening for two decades, fortunatly brains are a renewable recourse. As for economics look at it this way, all of a sudden now you got 70 million more potential customers, if your smart enoughf you can get their business.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #43
        Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

        Just remember, China didn't get a huge population with open borders, they did it with building the Great Wall of China. Growth policies are created by the government using internal resources. Trade policies are effective only after you have the proper foundation. Armenia is not prepared to out bid Turkey on any infrastucture projects on either side of the border... trade wars lead to cheap labour/goods.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #44
          Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

          Many including you underestimate the armenian merchants, we have been doing business with chiina even when it was isolated and india to. You just watch the open borders will usher in a new class of wealty armenians. Armenians were some of the wealthiest people even under the racist conditions of the ottomans just imagine what they can do now. Do not underestimate your own people, we are survivors and there is no other group of people better then us at doing business.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #45
            Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

            This is the age of technology, even J3welers are having trouble competing with the internet today. Business isn't what it used to be and many who aren't already wealthy merely become human resources in the service industry for major corporations. The rich are getting richer and that isn't going to change any time soon. Also notice the timing of all this... amidst the greatest recession/depression since WWII.
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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            • #46
              Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              This is the age of technology, even J3welers are having trouble competing with the internet today. Business isn't what it used to be and many who aren't already wealthy merely become human resources in the service industry for major corporations. The rich are getting richer and that isn't going to change any time soon. Also notice the timing of all this... amidst the greatest recession/depression since WWII.
              Business is the same it always has been. Its all about making money and we can do it along with the best of them. Sure its a corporate world out there but we have coorporations in Armenia to and many more will emerge as a result of open borders. Yes the rich are getting richer but the big difference will be that there will be more rich people and the armenian society in general will be wealthier and enjoy better living conditions. Armenians are savy with technology to, there is a IT sector in hayastan already and it can definetly take advantage of the borders opening. This will bring peace and prosperity to Armenia finely not doom and gloom.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • #47
                Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

                No one knows what will happen economically once the borders are open. The most dangerious aspect may not even be the economic but the demographic, this is the only thing that worries me about the protocols.

                Western Armenia is the poorest land under turkish rule, with open borders there will be oppourtunities for Armenians to do business there, and expand Armenian firms into the area. As Haykakan said, Armenians are very business savvy and I am not too worried about the competition from turks. Also, Russian and Iranian businessmen won't let turkish businessmen dominate the Armenian economy, they have too much to lose.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                • #48
                  Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

                  Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                  Armenians are savy with technology to, there is a IT sector in hayastan already and it can definetly take advantage of the borders opening.
                  Our IT sector is much underdeveloped actually. We do not even have security for our top government websites which have been hacked countless times recently by not only Turks but even Azeris. I think only 5-10% of Armenians use the Internet, a sad figure especially when taking into consideration that Azerbaijan and Georgia have much higher Internet usage figures.
                  Last edited by Federate; 10-08-2009, 04:17 PM.
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                  • #49
                    Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

                    Originally posted by Federate View Post
                    Our IT sector is much underdeveloped actually. We do not even have security for our top government websites which have been hacked countless times recently by not only Turks but even Azeris.
                    But can you link that to the lack of technology or ability on the part of Armenian IT firms or was it more the RA governments fault for not taking the security of government websites more seriously?
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                    • #50
                      Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

                      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                      But can you link that to the lack of technology or ability on the part of Armenian IT firms or was it more the RA governments fault for not taking the security of government websites more seriously?
                      Both which is why we are losing the information war in the first place. Azerbaijan is investing heavily in the IT sector and we are acting like laggards.

                      We finally took a step in the right direction last week when we invited the inventor of Kaspersky labs to Armenia and signed a few agreements.
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