Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

[Mukuch]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Historical commision should be included both Armenian and Turkish historians equally , I think.

Yes, but with what purpose? There is no purpose for Armenians discuss history with turks...
History is in books if someone do not know it (ignorance is not a sin) than can go and learn it. Other thing is if someone wants to CHANGE the history... then they create some deceptive commissions...

[UrMistake]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Turks cannot afford the truth.

They will find a why to afford it when my gun point them right in the forehead

[gegev]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Yes, but with what purpose? There is no purpose for Armenians discuss history with turks...
History is in books if someone do not know it (ignorance is not a sin) than can go and learn it. Other thing is if someone wants to CHANGE the history... then they create some deceptive commissions...

Turkey badly needs creation of the Historical Commission, to avoid AG impending restitution and blaming such countries as France, Germany etc. that "ignorantly" (using world wide known, written, historical facts) accepted the AG which is now questioned by Armenia.

[hipeter924]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Historical Commission wouldn't work because:

a) The Turks would appoint only genocide denier historians and deny the Turkish historians who recognise the genocide such as Taner Akcam and so forth the right to take part
b) The Armenian side would be forced to concede to Turkish demands and meet mid-way on the genocide aka some figure like 1 million as well as concede to the claims of Armenian's killing Turks for the Turks to recognise the genocide
c) A historical commission if carried out would call into question the genocide and thus dishonour and insult the memory all the people who died

[Haykakan]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Historical Commission wouldn't work because:

a) The Turks would appoint only genocide denier historians and deny the Turkish historians who recognise the genocide such as Taner Akcam and so forth the right to take part
b) The Armenian side would be forced to concede to Turkish demands and meet mid-way on the genocide aka some figure like 1 million as well as concede to the claims of Armenian's killing Turks for the Turks to recognise the genocide
c) A historical commission if carried out would call into question the genocide and thus dishonour and insult the memory all the people who died

Thats the worst case scenerio and it probably wont happen. More then likely the turcks will bring the denyers and the whole thing will collapse-thus nothing ventured yet open borders gained.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

Thats the worst case scenerio and it probably wont happen. More then likely the turcks will bring the denyers and the whole thing will collapse-thus nothing ventured yet open borders gained.

How come we don't see world wide condemnation over this possibility of a historic commission on the Genocide of Armenians like there was when Iran wanted to hold a conference questioning the events of the holocaust? For Armenian officials to accept an insulting commission implies that there is doubt such an event occurred. There is NO DOUBT our ancestors were the victims of one of many atrocious crimes against humanity.

[Army]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

History is in books if someone do not know it (ignorance is not a sin) than can go and learn it.

You would not believe what you gonna learn from the books. Not only Turkish-Armenian history; but Japanese-Chinese; Russian-Georgian; Pakistan-India...

Books are bullxxxx.

[jgk3]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

You would not believe what you gonna learn from the books. Not only Turkish-Armenian history; but Japanese-Chinese; Russian-Georgian; Pakistan-India...

Books are bullxxxx.

What the hell? You just said we can learn all sorts of political histories using books, and then you call this medium bs? What do you recommend doctor, to face nothing about ourselves or in history out of fear that all our sources are fundamentally flawed because they have an author?

I think what is key is to do comparative studies across authors of a given topic, see how they contradict eachother and invalidate they other's claims, see if an author is bringing a totally new dimension to the story not even addressed by other authors on the topic, what the author's sources are... etc.

[Army]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

What the hell? You just said we can learn all sorts of political histories using books

Did I??? I might be drunk or something. But seriously I've read lots of weird things about in "history" books.

[jgk3]

Re: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"

You would not believe what you gonna learn from the books. Not only Turkish-Armenian history; but Japanese-Chinese; Russian-Georgian; Pakistan-India...

This is what I was referring to.

Maybe our differing levels of enthusiasm for books merely reflect our respective personal interests in the activity of reading itself, and not on the actual objective value of books, so we can leave it at that.