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  • Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

    WASHINGTON, ANKARA (RFE/RL)–U.S. President Barack Obama reaffirmed his strong support for the normalization of Armenia’s relations with Turkey in a weekend phone call with his Turkish counterpart Abdullah Gul.

    The White House said Obama and Gul discussed on Saturday a range of issues of mutual interest, including the Turkish-Armenian agreements signed in Zurich on October 10.

    “The two Presidents discussed the historic progress that is being made on normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia, and the importance of maintaining the momentum in this important effort,” it said in a statement. No further details were reported.

    The U.S. support for the process was underscored by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s presence at the signing ceremony in the Swiss city that was nearly disrupted by a last-minute dispute between the Armenian and Turkish foreign ministers. Obama was quick to praise Clinton for helping to work out a compromise arrangement that salvaged the deal.

    Obama made a point of phoning President Serzh Sarkisian earlier this month during the latter’s tense visit to the United States aimed at explaining his conciliatory line on Turkey to the influential Armenian-American community. He praised Sarkisian’s “courageous leadership” and encouraged the Armenian leader to stay the course.

    Both Clinton and other top U.S. officials said that the two states should establish diplomatic relations and open the Turkish-Armenian border “without preconditions and within a reasonable timeframe.” However, there were further indications on Monday that Ankara will not rush to ratify the agreements if the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict remains unresolved in the coming months.

    Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that his government will continue to unequivocally support Azerbaijan in the bitter dispute with Armenia. “Azeri soil is as sacred for us as our own and liberating this soil from occupation is one of our primary national issues,” Davutoglu told reporters in Ankara.

    “Even if the skies fall down, Turkey’s position will not change… Our policy on ending the occupation… will continue until the problem is resolved,” he said, according to AFP.

    Gul also sought to reassure Baku, which believes that an open border with Turkey would only strengthen the Armenians economically and thereby discourage them from seeking a solution to the Karabakh conflict. “The fact that a country is occupying the territory of another country is unacceptable,” he told the French magazine “L’Express” in an interview published on Monday.

    The statements came amid Azerbaijan’s growing frustration with the Turkish government’s policy of rapprochement with its arch-foe. President Ilham Aliyev on Friday threatened to stop selling natural gas to Turkey at low prices and said Baku will consider routes other than Turkey to ship the gas to Europe. Also, media reports said Turkish flags were removed from a Baku cemetery, where Turkish soldiers who fought for Azerbaijan in the early 20th century are buried.

    In his interview with “L’Express” cited by “Hurriyet Daily News,” Gul also indicated that Ankara would accept any verdict by a Turkish-Armenian “subcommission” of historians which the two governments plan to form as part of their accord. The panel is expected to look into the Armenian Genocide.

    “Let a committee of historians, even experts of the subject from third countries, work on this issue. We will recognize its conclusions,” said the Turkish president.

    The Armenian government insists that the subcommission would not be tasked with determining whether the massacres constituted a genocide, as that is already a fact. But its critics in Armenia and its worldwide Diaspora counter that the Turkish government would exploit the very existence of such a body to deter more countries, notably the U.S, from recognizing the crime against humanity perpetrated by Ottoman Turkey and denied by the current Turkish republic.

    Gul chided the Armenian Diaspora for maintaining that Turkey must recognize the genocide before it can make peace with the Armenians. “The Armenians living in France are far from Armenia,” he said. “If they want to lend their support to the Armenians of Armenia, they must support the process.”

    Posted By Asbarez Staff On October 19, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

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    I want to ask something, what does Obama know about us, Armenians?! About what we have gone through throughout history?! Who made him the "boss"?! What does he have to do with this?! Why is he even bothering on, as they say in WA, "kituh chemcheyi bes gur xote"?!

    frustrates me!!!!!

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      Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

      He probably doesn't know much, except that if a politician tells us he will fight for Genocide recognition we will ignore all other issues that that politician supports. The elites that run the country made him the 'boss', and he will do as he is told. And he is bothering with 'this' (assuming you mean the protocols with turkey) because his country wants to see the transfer of caspian oil and natural gas through a stable country, in this case, Armenia.
      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



      http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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        Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

        Originally posted by Nanoushka View Post
        I want to ask something, what does Obama know about us, Armenians?! About what we have gone through throughout history?! Who made him the "boss"?! What does he have to do with this?! Why is he even bothering on, as they say in WA, "kituh chemcheyi bes gur xote"?!

        frustrates me!!!!!
        Soros and friends made him president, he doesnt have to know anything, the usa needs oil routes that dont pass through russia so he is trying to create one through Armenia since the one in georgia is now unreliable. You should chek out older threads, all this info is in there.
        Hayastan or Bust.

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          Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

          Originally posted by Nanoushka View Post
          I want to ask something, what does Obama know about us, Armenians?! About what we have gone through throughout history?! Who made him the "boss"?! What does he have to do with this?! Why is he even bothering on, as they say in WA, "kituh chemcheyi bes gur xote"?!

          frustrates me!!!!!
          He knows everything that has happened Nanoushka but as an elected President of a country his objectives are the interests of US foreign policy. Open boarder between Turkey/Armenia/ Azerbaijan with stability is what is desired not only by US but by an agreement between US, Europe, and Russia (our best friend).
          They all know what has happened and the only way to make them stop playing their AG card is to somehow for us to raise the stakes against Turkey.........and that will not happen if we fold our hand with these protocols.

          Think of it this way, if US were to officially recognize the AG right now it would be like shooting itself in the foot. Without the airbases in Turkey they might as well forget about Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact they couldn’t even get out of those countries without the Incirlik Air base. And if we give up then why should day even care.
          Turkey is a strategic ally that they want in EU..........also a growing threat. They know Turkey very well.

          Cheers.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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            Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

            I can't describe my anger...I feel injustice and us being once again rolled into a trap. Can't Serzh realize that countries around him want whatever is best for themselves and NOT for Armenia! Doesn't take an idiot to understand that!

            sorry, I really feel awful!

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              Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

              Originally posted by Nanoushka View Post
              I can't describe my anger...I feel injustice and us being once again rolled into a trap. Can't Serzh realize that countries around him want whatever is best for themselves and NOT for Armenia! Doesn't take an idiot to understand that!

              sorry, I really feel awful!
              You'll find a lot of people agreeing with you but some have the "there is no other way" attitude almost like "it was meant to be, it is out of our hands, there are greater powers at work". I can't disagree but I think the diaspora is more angry than the Armenian population which is what I find strange. Sort of how the whole world was more angry than Americans when Bush was elected for a second term.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                You'll find a lot of people agreeing with you but some have the "there is no other way" attitude almost like "it was meant to be, it is out of our hands, there are greater powers at work". I can't disagree but I think the diaspora is more angry than the Armenian population which is what I find strange. Sort of how the whole world was more angry than Americans when Bush was elected for a second term.

                So far the people holding the 'there is no other way' attitude as you claim, have brought up better arguments as to why this whole thing was started and what it aims to achieve than the hysteria many in the anti-protocol camp have.

                Maybe the reason the Diaspora is more angry with the protocols than the citizens of Armenia, is because too many in the Diaspora see the Genocide and its recognition as a pillar of their Armenianess, so to speak. It is part of the victimhood mentality that we must get rid of as Armenians, if we want to move in a positive direction. turkey will not be punished by words but by deeds
                Also, I don't think those in Armenia care less about this issue, it's just that it is easier to complain about things and point out its flaws when you will not be the one facing the consequences.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                  Originally posted by Nanoushka View Post
                  I can't describe my anger...I feel injustice and us being once again rolled into a trap. Can't Serzh realize that countries around him want whatever is best for themselves and NOT for Armenia! Doesn't take an idiot to understand that!

                  sorry, I really feel awful!
                  Not to worry, everything will turn out OK.

                  Plus, we have unfinished business before we go anywhere.
                  B0zkurt Hunter

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                    Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                    What Obama 'wants' is to slice Armenia in two and force Armenia's surrender of Artsakh so he can drive a pipeline through the newly formed Turkey-Azerbaijan. It's out of Azeri-Turk fantasy films equivalent to those old fantasy books and films prior to ww1 where each power believed it could conquer its rivals and the world. Every day Obama stays in office is a shame in itself, Obama and Bush are the most corrupt (and possibly even racist) politicians in US history and I hope it doesn't get any worse.

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