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  • #31
    Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    Could be all three actually.
    Azerbaijan is out of the question unless you are willing to give up Artsakh. Georgia, as they themselves point out is highly unstable already (hence their whole point of looking for alternative routes) and Iran is already not favored, semi-sanctioned or blacklisted by the United States. Not even one of those options has any long-term basis, especially from Armenian geopolitical standpoint and interests.

    Of course US will continue to describe our national liberation struggle in Artsakh as an "unnecessary conflict" since it stands in the way of their hegemonic pipe dreams.

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    • #32
      Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

      Thats a very pessimistic way of lookimg at things. Business has a way of turning enemies into business partners.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #33
        Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

        Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
        Thats a very pessimistic way of lookimg at things. Business has a way of turning enemies into business partners.
        Thats the same relationship that Saddam had with Washington at one point.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #34
          Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

          That is a good point but in our case we have russia to back us up.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #35
            Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            Thats a very pessimistic way of lookimg at things. Business has a way of turning enemies into business partners.
            If the "protocols" are manifestation of such "business" than they have nothing to do with genuine Armenian interests. The "third party" - like the US, which is pushing this, cares little about the latter.

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            • #36
              Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

              A growing economy is very much in Armenias interest and should this agreement lead to open borders our economy will grow and our self interest will be realised. It is very possible to make this deal in a way that all involved will benefit.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • #37
                Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                A growing economy is very much in Armenias interest and should this agreement lead to open borders our economy will grow and our self interest will be realised. It is very possible to make this deal in a way that all involved will benefit.
                Not with these Turkish-imposed "protocols." Armenia is simply not prepared to deal with a hostile nation of some 80 million that still actively pursues an anti-Armenian policy. The demographic factor alone is a grave threat to the very existence of the Armenian statehood and people.

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                • #38
                  Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                  Originally posted by Catharsis View Post
                  Azerbaijan is out of the question unless you are willing to give up Artsakh. Georgia, as they themselves point out is highly unstable already (hence their whole point of looking for alternative routes) and Iran is already not favored, semi-sanctioned or blacklisted by the United States. Not even one of those options has any long-term basis, especially from Armenian geopolitical standpoint and interests.

                  Of course US will continue to describe our national liberation struggle in Artsakh as an "unnecessary conflict" since it stands in the way of their hegemonic pipe dreams.
                  Great. Just want to add that even if let's say the USA gives the green light for Iran, why would Iran pump this oil through Armenian territory and not directly through its border with Turkey thereby avoiding an extra burden of transit fee costs? Even without that, the current Iranian-Armenian pipelines' diameter was already forcibly shrunk by Russia to avoid any future possibility of this. The case with Azerbaijan is that as Turkish-Armenian relations get better, Azerbaijani-Russian relations get better due to disagreements with the former. Once this happens, Azerbaijan can simply choose to pump the oil through Russian territory and I do not think our saviour the Russians would object to that .
                  Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                    You guys again dont give Armenia any credit, she has survived the demographic challanges, besides that the only way to improve the demographics situation is to improve her economy! Federate, i already discussed the russia-azeri issue with you yet you bring it up as if we didnt talk about it already. There is more then just oil at stake here plus the most efficiant rout to exporting caspien oil is through Armenia and Russia would prefer this route over the oil going directly through russia because the former scenerio gives it control over turckey! Like seriously it is not fair when you guys choose to ommit the very important things which are glaringly obvious, how many times do i need to write the same explainations? Ignoring the obvious will get us nowhere.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

                      Originally posted by Federate View Post
                      Great. Just want to add that even if let's say the USA gives the green light for Iran, why would Iran pump this oil through Armenian territory and not directly through its border with Turkey thereby avoiding an extra burden of transit fee costs? Even without that, the current Iranian-Armenian pipelines' diameter was already forcibly shrunk by Russia to avoid any future possibility of this. The case with Azerbaijan is that as Turkish-Armenian relations get better, Azerbaijani-Russian relations get better due to disagreements with the former. Once this happens, Azerbaijan can simply choose to pump the oil through Russian territory and I do not think our saviour the Russians would object to that .
                      Yes indeed, in fact the energy transit scenario is similar to the importing and exporting of goods via the Black Sea port of Batumi by Armenia which outweighs the longer and more costlier Turkish route.

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