Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

[Eddo211]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

For something that you consider useless crap you sure take the time to discredit it. My post was not ment for you, it was a response to Armanen post bellow. Only the President of Armenia can push for the Sevres treaty which is still legal, the same one Turkey had legaly and willingly signed back then.
Plus, why do you need my input, you seem to have figured everything out. I know, check your posts. hahaha

Anoush jan, I pointed something out earlier. We have all these legal documents that we could use in our fight against turkey. We have had almost 20 years to do so, why haven't we? The Diaspora is so concerned about Genocide recognition, especially in the u.s., so I ask why didn't some of the money spent on getting the idiot in the whitehouse to say the word 'Genocide', not go toward bringing an international lawsuit against turkey?

Why aren't Armenians outraged about official Yerevan not suing turkey for the illegal blockade, not to mention the Sevres Treaty? Why is everyone bit*hing now when the status quo is likely to change and could actually put Armenia in a better position?

People like Ara Papyan and Hellektor were saying for years that Armenia should take turkey to court, but no one listened to them, now people are taking them seriously when it may be too late.

[Anoush]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Only the President of Armenia can push for the treaty of Sevres, Diaspora is powerless.

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No official, whether Armenian or not, can afford to ignore public fears concerning unfavorable outcomes, and if -- God forbid -- the outcomes do in fact hurt the nation, no such official would ever be saved from the ensuing public outrage.

What interests and pretexts are at the root of the Armenian-Turkish diplomatic process - in terms of big profits and geopolitical influence?
Turks are the ones who need to stop the blockade of Armenia, hence they are impatient. As for us, we waited 70 years and another 20 years, and we can wait some more. If it is not in line with our present national interests and our national historic path, it must be avoided.

We would also like to assure you Mr. President that the countries and organizations -- waiting for their share of hard cash for instigating or applauding talks between Armenia and Turkey -- will surely start turn on each other as soon as there are conflicts of interest.

Future conflicts and bloody resolutions must be prevented instead of generating new ones. As American citizens we will express our positions most ardently to the U.S. administration. As interested compatriots we recommend the following:

1) After securing Russia's support, making Articles 92 and 89 of the Treaty of Sevres the subject of immediate negotiations between Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. In the event of a refusal, we must take the case to the appropriate international institutions. By so, the matters of Javakhk,
Nakhichevan, and Armenian Aghvank on the right bank would be resolved as well as Artsakh.

2) Basing any negotiations concerning the Turkish-Armenian border on the Peace Treaty of Sevres and the November 22, 1920 resolution of United States President and international arbitrator Woodrow Wilson - immediately abandoning said negotiations in the event of attempts to push the un-ratified Moscow and Kars treaties.
Ending the blockade of Armenia has its price: to have a strategically safe border and a passage to the sea for Armenia, rooted in implementation of Articles 92 and 89 of the Treaty of Sevres, as well as the ovember 22, 1920 resolution of United States President and international arbitrator Woodrow Wilson.

In the Turkish-Armenian negotiations the Armenian Administration is obligated to pursue a favorable outcome for Armenia and Armenians, supported by historic facts and legal documents. And if push comes to shove, to prevent an unfavorable outcome for the nation, the Armenian administration or an official representative must abandon negotiations and resume only when
there is a Turkish diplomat ready to meet the conditions that will not slight Armenia and Armenians all over the world.

DCWA President Michael Sosikian
Secretary of State Hakob Mkrtchian

http://www.azad-hye.net/media/p1/dcw...o-sargsyan.pdf

Yes yes yes; but where were we for so many years? I don't care but let's go forward from here on as the proper descendents of our "ari arants Hay joghovurt"!

[Anoush]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Thank you Eddo jan for putting this out for us.

Haykakan, figure this out. This letter it sure puts the Western powers to think twice what they are after.

[Haykakan]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

For something that you consider useless crap you sure take the time to discredit it. My post was not ment for you, it was a response to Armanen post bellow. Only the President of Armenia can push for the Sevres treaty which is still legal, the same one Turkey had legaly and willingly signed back then.
Plus, why do you need my input, you seem to have figured everything out. I know, check your posts. hahaha

The president of Armenia does not have the power to push such a treaty! This and any other treaty can only be persued by those who have the power to back it up. Russia, the eu and the usa are the only entities who have the power to do this but they do not have the interest. Should the interest part of this equation change you will see these powers shoving that treaty into turckeys face harder then we ever could.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Thank you Eddo jan for putting this out for us.

Haykakan, figure this out. This letter it sure puts the Western powers to think twice what they are after.

Gee, I wonder what western power will have vested interest in that after Mr. Hye Obama himself... another Clinton or another Bush

[Haykakan]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Gee, I wonder what western power will have vested interest in that after Mr. Hye Obama himself... another Clinton or another Bush

Dont worry the anca will have "their man" in there soon and we armenians will rule the world. Just send them a few more dollars.

[Gavur]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

I beginning to think not only the diaspora has an assimilation problem seeing couple off fine examples in this socalled Hye-forum.

[Armanen]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

For something that you consider useless crap you sure take the time to discredit it. My post was not ment for you, it was a response to Armanen post bellow. Only the President of Armenia can push for the Sevres treaty which is still legal, the same one Turkey had legaly and willingly signed back then.
Plus, why do you need my input, you seem to have figured everything out. I know, check your posts. hahaha

I already knew that official Yerevan was/is the only one that could bring this issue up. I just want people to realize that we have had almost 20 years to pressure the government in Yerevan to take action on this issue and yet nothing serious was done. I also think that the powers who could secure this may not have been willing and therefore this could have been stuck in limbo for years, but it would have at least been nice to see serious efforts made by Armenians to get official Yerevan to take this to an international court such as the ICJ.

[Anoush]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

Gee, I wonder what western power will have vested interest in that after Mr. Hye Obama himself... another Clinton or another Bush

No KanadaHye jan, I was being facitious that the Western powers, namely to the US and the EU will stir them up and forget about Genocide recognition since the letter requires for Armenia to start demanding the Sevres Treaty's borders. I just wish that they started demanding the Sevres Treaty a while back rather than waiting for the anti-Armenian puppet US presidents to utter the "G" word. Btw; clinton, bush and obama schbobama power hungry big liers.

[Catharsis]

Re: Obama and the normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey

I already knew that official Yerevan was/is the only one that could bring this issue up. I just want people to realize that we have had almost 20 years to pressure the government in Yerevan to take action on this issue and yet nothing serious was done. I also think that the powers who could secure this may not have been willing and therefore this could have been stuck in limbo for years, but it would have at least been nice to see serious efforts made by Armenians to get official Yerevan to take this to an international court such as the ICJ.

Armanen, Ara Papian, the Armenian ambassador to Canada had put together the whole package of how the Republic of Armenia can and should pursue the Treaty of Sevres and more importantly the Arbitrary Award of President Woodrow Wilson. He put the protocols on the table of the former president Robert Kocharyan.

Two weeks later he was fired from his post as RA ambassador without any explanation.

Please read here -

http://www.wilsonforarmenia.org/Report.htm