Murder of Vahe Avetyan

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Վահե Ավետյանի հուղարկավորություն


Սգո, ցասման և իրավատիրության ակցիա

ՀՀ ԱԺ պատգամավոր, ՀՀԿ խմբակցության անդամ Ռուբեն Հայրապետյանին /հանրությանն առավել հայտնի է Նեմեց Ռուբո մականվամբ/ պատկանող «Հարսնաքար» ռեստորանային համալիրի մի խումբ աշխատակիցների և թիկնազորի անդամների դաժան ծեծից մահացած զինվորական բժիշկ, ՀՀ Զինված ուժերի սպա, մայոր Վահե Ավետյանի հուղարկավորությունը տեղի կունենա հուլիսի 2-ին ժամը 14:00-ին` Դրոյի 83 հասցեից:

Սգո թափորը հարգանքի տուրք կմատուցի անպատժելիության արատավոր մշակույթին զոհ գնացած հայ սպային` ուղեկցելով նրան մինչև Զեյթունի գերեզմանատուն, իսկ հուղարկավորությունից հետո Դավիթ Անհաղթ-Կոմիտաս-Բաղրամյան-Մաշտոց-Ամիրյան-Հանրապետության հրապարակ երթուղով կշարժվի դեպի ՀՀ գլխավոր դատախազություն:

Հայաստանի Հանրապետության քաղաքացիներս, ովքեր մտահոգված են տարիներ շարունակ անպատիժ մնացած, հանրությանը բազմիցս ահաբեկած և այս արատավոր համակարգի հետ սերտաճած հանցագործ օլիգարխներին օրենքի իշխանությանը ենթարկելու ու օրենքի ամբողջ ուժով արդարությունը վերականգնելու համար, այլևս չենք հանդուրժելու այդ հանցագործներին հովանավորող պետական իշխանության անգործությունը: Մենք ինքնակազմակերպվելով անհաղթահարելի ուժ ենք դառնալու և մեր հետևողական գործողություններով քայլ առ քայլ հասնելու ենք օրենքի գործադրմանը, հանցավոր համնակարգին սերտաճած Նեմեցին և նրա բուծած ստահակներին օրենքի ամբողջ խստությամբ պատասխանատվության ենթարկմանը, ինչպես նաև նրա բարոյական ու ֆինանսական սնանկացմանը:

Բոլոր մտահոգ մարդկանց, ՀՀ քաղաքացիներին հորդորում ենք միանալ այս ակցիային:

Մենք ենք մեր երկրի տերն ու երաշխավորը:

Վահե Ավետյանի հուղարկավորւթյան կազմակերպման հանրային հանձնաժողով

1. Ժաննա Ալեքսանյան, լրագրող

2. Անահիտ Բախշյան, մանկավարժ

3. Լիլիթ Գալստյան, քաղաքագետ

4. Վարդգես Գասպարի, քաղաքացիական ակտիվիստ

5. Աշոտ Գևորգյան, ֆիզիկոս

6. Կարո Եղնուկյան, իրավաբան, գործարար

7. Հրանուշ Խառատյան, ազգագրագետ

8. Նազարեթ Կարոյան, արվեստաբան

9. Կարինե Հակոբյան, հրապարակախոս

10. Արսեն Համբարյան, երգիչ, երգահան

11. Երվանդ Մանարյան, դերասան, ռեժիսոր

12. Նվարդ Մանասյան, դասախոս

13. Վահրամ Մարտիրոսյան, գրող, հրապարակախոս

14. Զարուհի Մուրադյան, նկարիչ

15. Եղիա Ներսիսյան, բնապահպան

16. Գարեգին Չուգասզյան, համակարգային վերլուծաբան

17. Արծրուն Պեպանյան, վերլուծաբան, լրագրող

18. Սարհատ Պետրոսյան, ճարտարապետ

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Մանդատից զրկել Ռուբեն Հայրապետյանին


Հունիսի 17-ին ԱԺ պատգամավոր Ռուբեն Հայրապետյանին պատկանող «Հարսնաքար» ռեստորանային համալիրում դաժան ծեծի ենթարկվեց ՀՀ ՊՆ կենտրոնական կայազորի ռազմական հոսպիտալի ԼՈՌ բաժանմունքի պետ, բուժծառայության մայոր 35-ամյա Վահե Ավետյանը, ով ծայրահեղ ծանր վիճակում մնալուց հետո իր մահկանացուն կնքեց հունիսի 29-ի երեկոյան:

Այսօր՝ 21:00-ին, միացեք մեզ Ավանի «Հարսնաքար» ռեստորանի մոտ՝ մոմավառություն կազմակերպելու Վահե Ավետյանի հիշատակին և բողոքի ձայն բարձրացնելու սանձարձակ օլիգարխիայի ու մարդասպանների խրախճանքի դեմ: ՀՀ-ում ամենաթողության կարծրատիպը վերացնելու նպատակով ԲՈԼՈՐՍ ՄԵԿ ՄԱՐԴՈՒ ՆՄԱՆ պիտի պահանջենք Ռուբեն Հայրապետյանին անհապաղ զրկել պատգամավորական մանդատից և ցմահ ազատազրկման դատապարտել նրա հանցագործ կամակատարներին, ովքեր կազմակերպել և իրականացրել են Վահե Ավետյանի սպանդը: Միաժամանակ ԲՈՅԿՈՏՈՒՄ ԵՆՔ «Հարսնաքար» ռեստորանային համալիրը, «Բջնի» և «Նոյ» հանքային ջրերի ապրանքատեսակները:

Այսօր 21:00-ին բոլորս մենք մեր բողոքն ենք արտահայտելու Հայաստանում Հանրապետությունում պետականորեն հովանավորվող սարսափելի և անմարդկային բարքերի դեմ:

ՀՀ ինքնորոշված քաղաքացիներ

[Serjik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I normally don't talk to morons who quote Lragir or Hetq and Azatutyun for their politics but you guys are making a mountain out of a ant hill and you are becoming tool for Arab Spring in Armenia. The disgusting punks who killed that off-duty military doctor got immediately arrested and they will be punished. unlike you and others here I have no doubt that. Bro, I don't like Nemec at all but this is not his fault - this is the fault of hetamnats mentalities. Probably somebody cursed out somebodies mother and this sheet happend. Ara mamais inch asacir????! Not funny but sad we Armenians act more Turkish than Turks sometimes.

I sometimes think the only way Armenians will be encouraged into liberating Western Armenia is to have Turks gather at the border of Armenia and start cursing out Armenian mothers. Then watch how Armenians will attack Turks and smash heads!!! LOL!!!

So I suggest you guys stop acting hysterical and irrational and look at the big picture. Also you must be a little kid if you think crap like this don't happen in the US. Happens all the time but Americans are not self-hating hysterical like us Armenians to go freaking out every time. Do yourself a favor stop reading Lragir and Hetq and Azatutyun and pick p an American daily and read the crap that happens here on a daily basis. Maybe you should start listening to an American patriot like Alex Jones. Maybe then you will learn that tens of thousands of Americans man and women have died so that a few of the US oligarchs connected to the military industrial complex can make billions. I really suggest you discover the world you live in. You sound like just another geghtsi opozicia type with narrow mind and vision. Nation most close to us is Israel/xxxs? LOL!!! Maybe close to semetic-wanabees like you but I am Kavkazci.

This is not a 'common event that happens in every country' !!!
Maybe in Russia? Certainly in Lebanon during civil war years, and militia rulers.... but even then, some guy would have placed a bullet in the head of Nemets a week later, or his car would have blown up!

Are we as bad a country with no nation and no state institution, governed by murderers and looters as was Lebanon in 1975?
Even in today's Lebanon, where there is some ressemblance of normality, this could not go unpunished....
And the ANORMALITY is the fact that this will go UNPUNISHED+++ (Just the case of Bedros Bedrossian from Javakhk killed by KKOU in Papravok toilets, for daring to call Kocharian 'Robig', as he used to in old days...., while being drunk....)

This is surely not a common event, for any 'normal' country.
The state/nation most equivalent to us is Israel.
Could you imagine this happening in Israel, and the murderers go unpunished?
In the US, France, UK, ???
Even if the President is the murderer, they will hang him!
So first, if someone must do something, is to punish those ANIMALS, Nemets FIRST!
Then we may talk, 'and pass on';

[Sarkis86]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This is not a 'common event that happens in every country' !!!
Maybe in Russia? Certainly in Lebanon during civil war years, and militia rulers.... but even then, some guy would have placed a bullet in the head of Nemets a week later, or his car would have blown up!

Are we as bad a country with no nation and no state institution, governed by murderers and looters as was Lebanon in 1975?
Even in today's Lebanon, where there is some ressemblance of normality, this could not go unpunished....
And the ANORMALITY is the fact that this will go UNPUNISHED+++ (Just the case of Bedros Bedrossian from Javakhk killed by KKOU in Papravok toilets, for daring to call Kocharian 'Robig', as he used to in old days...., while being drunk....)

This is surely not a common event, for any 'normal' country.
The state/nation most equivalent to us is Israel.
Could you imagine this happening in Israel, and the murderers go unpunished?
In the US, France, UK, ???
Even if the President is the murderer, they will hang him!
So first, if someone must do something, is to punish those ANIMALS, Nemets FIRST!
Then we may talk, 'and pass on';

"Armenia is not a normal country"

As an Armenian nationalist, I am offended whenever I hear another Armenian repeat this defeatist turkish crap. We need to think very carefully before we talk (or type). The bullsiht notion that Armenia is allegedly not a "normal" country is poison that the turkish and azerbaijani press created in order to demoralize Armenian society and cause the Republic of Armenia to decay and collapse from within. According to the turkish garbage, Armenia is "not normal" because the hardliner natives of Armenia are fanatic and they insist on "occupying their supposedly peaceful, prosperous neighbor azerbaijan's territory (ie Artsakh) and they also make territorial claims against supposedly peaceful, democratic turkey (ie Western Armenia) and supposedly democratic, progressive georgia (ie Javakhk)". The turkish and azerbaijani press also claim that Armenia is not a "normal" nation because the hardliners in the Diaspora keep pushing for Genocide recognition, and this allegedly poisons relations between ankara and Yerevan as well as Ankara and Paris/Washington/Bern (Switzerland)/ect...Thus according to the evil turkish and azerbaijani liars, Armenia is not a "normal" nation because it chooses to defend Artsakh and pursue justice for the Armenian Genocide. Basically turkey and azerbaijan want Armenia to become demoralized so they can tear it apart and finish it off once and for all.

"This is not a common event"

The murder of any Armenian is very tragic. However, we need to look at this rationally instead of playing into the hands of Armenia's enemies. This was a case of murder. I'm going to assume "normal country" to you means America or one of the Western European nations. Do you have any idea how APPALLINGLY HIGH the murder rate is in the United States?? It's one of the highest in the developed world, both in absolute terms and per capita. Compared to these so-called "normal" countries, Armenia remains a relatively safe and peaceful place. Believe me, I'm an American and I can tell you we have violence and crime statistics in our cities that would make any normal person sick. One is statistically WAY MORE LIKELY to be murdered in an American city than in Armenia.

Again, the murder of an Armenian anywhere requires swift and tough justice, but let's not lose our grip on reality and start giving self-serving foreigners a tool to pressure Armenia with (ie I can imagine a US State Department Report on "Human Rights" stating "Armenia is not a democratic country, even your own citizens have to march in protest against the government. We can't allow a repressive government like Armenia to 'occupy azerbaijani territory'")

"his car would have blown up"

The criminals were arrested within days of this crime in Armenia. I'm thankful that Armenia isn't that backwards where murder is responded to with terrorism. If Armenians blow up any cars, it should be those Matadors and Marauders the warmongers across the border are bragging about.

"The state/nation most equivalent to us is Israel."

Not even close. They are a genocidal government arming the georgians and azerbaijanis to the teeth, much to Armenia's detriment. They have sold advanced weaponry to turkey as well. Their state was founded on land belonging to the Palestinians, who they forced out into the West Bank, Gaza and into a huge Diaspora. The israelis most closely resemble their brothers in ankara. Genetically and linguistically they are semetic, while we are Aryans of Eastern European and Iranic culture. Religiously they are judaic, which includes holidays like purim where there they celebrate the massacre of 75,000 goyim Persians by their ancestors in ancient times (complete with cookies called hamantaschen which represent the ears of the decapitated Persian King Haman). We, by contrast, are Orthodox Christians.

"Maybe in Russia"

I don't care how Russia (or any other country) runs its own business. As long as they maintain bases in Armenia, they turks will remain too terrified of the Russian Bear to even mildly threaten Armenia. Thank God our interests overlap with the Russian interests, because if the Russians ever left there is no chance in hell that the "normal" countries of NATO would lift a finger to halt the second Armenian Genocide.

"Could you imagine this happening in Israel, and the murderers go unpunished"

This might shock you, but even the mighty US Army actually has significantly more non-combat losses, rapes, suicides, violence, gangmembers and homeless and drug-addict veterans than tiny Armenia, in addition to the astronomical civilian crime rate. As for israel, they drop bombs on Palestinian civilians armed merely with rocks on a regular basis, God knows what they do that we aren't privy to. What they did to their own Mordechai Vanunu, a former israeli xxx who converted to Christianity, is on its own a crime against humanity. No point comparing Armenia to a pariah state like israel.

[Vahram]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

One guy got killed in a fight in Armenia and all hell is breaking loose. We are retarded for even talking about this! What happened to staying on topic again?

Nice talk brings back our baboon friends, way to go guys way to go. Like the body guard knew the guy was in the army or anything, this is random sheet that happens every place on earth. In fact you can be OJ and kill you wife in America and get off on a technicality so long as you pay the right price

Oh and talk about the state of affairs, take a look stupids.

http://articles.cnn.com/1996-12-06/us/9612_06_aberdeen.arraign_1_sexual-harassment-derrick-robertson-togo-west?_s=PM:US

You want dirt? There is lots to go around, but some Armo's are too stupid to even see reailty for what it is.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

@: Serjik:
As a wise guy, you do not deserve an answer, since you melt everything, and are unable to understand what you read.
But most of all, you have no idea what you are talking about.

@: Vahram.
Sirelis, this is not the question of one more death, however tragic.
This is about the impunity of low educated mob, openly and blatantly exposing their impunity, and this for the X time, time and time again, and going non punished, no matter what the wise guy sited before states. If nothing changes, the Murderers will sit for a year or two, or may be none, and the Boss will not even be bothered....
At one point, a clear ANGER must force the regime to punish as severely as possible, the Boss, and his gang, so this Total impunity will stop.
As long as this is not happening, it will not stop.
I bet what ever you want, this Mafia Boss called Nemetz will not be bothered...
And last, this is not question of regime, same did happen during Levon (see the crimes of Mafia Boss called Vano Siradeghian, never punished to date), under Kotcharian (see Kkou, etc..), and under Serjik...
Those gangs will always be in the majority party, as long as this system is not changed.
They were HHSh, Now they are Republican and Prosperous, tomorrow they will be next party in power.

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Sarkis your hitting all the right nails on the head. The last thing on this earth i want is Armenia to be compared to is Israel. Rubo is a living example of thugery in Armenia but beyond that he had nothing to do with this incident. Armenian boys and men generaly talk big when it comes to violence but in action they are quite well behaved mamasboys. You wana see some real violent thugery then come to Detroit i will happily give a tour. I think the fact that this incident has raised such outrage is a telling example of just how different Armenia is from the violence glorifying Americas and Israels ofthe world where such things do noteven make it into the evening news.

[Federate]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

"Armenia is not a normal country"

As an Armenian nationalist, I am offended whenever I hear another Armenian repeat this defeatist turkish crap. We need to think very carefully before we talk (or type). The bullsiht notion that Armenia is allegedly not a "normal" country is poison that the turkish and azerbaijani press created in order to demoralize Armenian society and cause the Republic of Armenia to decay and collapse from within. According to the turkish garbage, Armenia is "not normal" because the hardliner natives of Armenia are fanatic and they insist on "occupying their supposedly peaceful, prosperous neighbor azerbaijan's territory (ie Artsakh) and they also make territorial claims against supposedly peaceful, democratic turkey (ie Western Armenia) and supposedly democratic, progressive georgia (ie Javakhk)". The turkish and azerbaijani press also claim that Armenia is not a "normal" nation because the hardliners in the Diaspora keep pushing for Genocide recognition, and this allegedly poisons relations between ankara and Yerevan as well as Ankara and Paris/Washington/Bern (Switzerland)/ect...Thus according to the evil turkish and azerbaijani liars, Armenia is not a "normal" nation because it chooses to defend Artsakh and pursue justice for the Armenian Genocide. Basically turkey and azerbaijan want Armenia to become demoralized so they can tear it apart and finish it off once and for all.

"This is not a common event"

The murder of any Armenian is very tragic. However, we need to look at this rationally instead of playing into the hands of Armenia's enemies. This was a case of murder. I'm going to assume "normal country" to you means America or one of the Western European nations. Do you have any idea how APPALLINGLY HIGH the murder rate is in the United States?? It's one of the highest in the developed world, both in absolute terms and per capita. Compared to these so-called "normal" countries, Armenia remains a relatively safe and peaceful place. Believe me, I'm an American and I can tell you we have violence and crime statistics in our cities that would make any normal person sick. One is statistically WAY MORE LIKELY to be murdered in an American city than in Armenia.

Again, the murder of an Armenian anywhere requires swift and tough justice, but let's not lose our grip on reality and start giving self-serving foreigners a tool to pressure Armenia with (ie I can imagine a US State Department Report on "Human Rights" stating "Armenia is not a democratic country, even your own citizens have to march in protest against the government. We can't allow a repressive government like Armenia to 'occupy azerbaijani territory'")

"his car would have blown up"

The criminals were arrested within days of this crime in Armenia. I'm thankful that Armenia isn't that backwards where murder is responded to with terrorism. If Armenians blow up any cars, it should be those Matadors and Marauders the warmongers across the border are bragging about.

"The state/nation most equivalent to us is Israel."

Not even close. They are a genocidal government arming the georgians and azerbaijanis to the teeth, much to Armenia's detriment. They have sold advanced weaponry to turkey as well. Their state was founded on land belonging to the Palestinians, who they forced out into the West Bank, Gaza and into a huge Diaspora. The israelis most closely resemble their brothers in ankara. Genetically and linguistically they are semetic, while we are Aryans of Eastern European and Iranic culture. Religiously they are judaic, which includes holidays like purim where there they celebrate the massacre of 75,000 goyim Persians by their ancestors in ancient times (complete with cookies called hamantaschen which represent the ears of the decapitated Persian King Haman). We, by contrast, are Orthodox Christians.

"Maybe in Russia"

I don't care how Russia (or any other country) runs its own business. As long as they maintain bases in Armenia, they turks will remain too terrified of the Russian Bear to even mildly threaten Armenia. Thank God our interests overlap with the Russian interests, because if the Russians ever left there is no chance in hell that the "normal" countries of NATO would lift a finger to halt the second Armenian Genocide.

"Could you imagine this happening in Israel, and the murderers go unpunished"

This might shock you, but even the mighty US Army actually has significantly more non-combat losses, rapes, suicides, violence, gangmembers and homeless and drug-addict veterans than tiny Armenia, in addition to the astronomical civilian crime rate. As for israel, they drop bombs on Palestinian civilians armed merely with rocks on a regular basis, God knows what they do that we aren't privy to. What they did to their own Mordechai Vanunu, a former israeli xxx who converted to Christianity, is on its own a crime against humanity. No point comparing Armenia to a pariah state like israel.

Well said Sarkis, especially about Armenia comparison to Israel. Always happy to see Armenians bash and recognise what the Zionist apartheid state really is.

Anyway we're all going off topic now from military balance and if ya'll wanna to discuss this matter further, I can move the posts to a new or existing thread that's more relevant.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Sarkis your hitting all the right nails on the head. The last thing on this earth i want is Armenia to be compared to is Israel. Rubo is a living example of thugery in Armenia but beyond that he had nothing to do with this incident. Armenian boys and men generaly talk big when it comes to violence but in action they are quite well behaved mamasboys. You wana see some real violent thugery then come to Detroit i will happily give a tour. I think the fact that this incident has raised such outrage is a telling example of just how different Armenia is from the violence glorifying Americas and Israels ofthe world where such things do noteven make it into the evening news.

@Haykakan
I'm sorry, but you miss the point too.
Ruppo has everything to do, since if he was not the Boss, never that MF would have done what he did.
As if wasn't for Kocharian, never Kku would have behaved as he did in the toilets of Paplavok.
If it wasn't for Levon, never Vano.....

You compare drug addicts, sex addicts, pedophile crimes in big cities, and this?
This has nothing to do.
If you want it explained in western words, then imagine a second:
The Bodygards of Obama, lets say 15 big muscled guys, smash the head of an officer from West Pont, on the Parking of one of the biggest restaurants of DC, while not being under drugs, collectively, because they Know they will not be punished...
The problem is with the fact, that those guys are certain they will be UNPUNISHED.
They can hit you on the road, before the eyes of the cops, and they know, they will not be stopped....
Tell me one thing: from the 15 guys there, how many did serve in the army? Where did they serve? How long?
And if they did not, how did that came???

(PS: If I am not wrong, the bodyguards of Obama in real life, got punished, because they did not pay the price to a prostitute in an other country, isn't it so?)

[Sarkis86]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Thank you Haykakan and Federate.

I realize that I took things off-topic, sorry. If anybody wants to start a new thread and move my posts they can, but I think this specific topic is closed. I didn't mean to go off on Vrej1915, I have do doubt he has the best intentions for Armenia but I felt I had to call out those errors. Now back to the military balance!