And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

[lampron]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Hellektor's research on this subject should be circulated to as many foreign journalists, diplomats, businessmen, public figures as possible. It is one of the best I have seen. But no insults should be used. In any research document the facts should speak for themselves. The readers can then decide if 'Azerbaijan' really has any claims to karabakh and Shahumian and understand the reasons why the Tatars opportunistically came up with the name 'Azerbaijan'

[Hellektor]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

15 September 2008 [18:04] - Today.Az
"Azerbaijan should change its name for North Azerbaijan, which corresponds to the reality" (??? According to who? H.), said chairman of the United Popular Front Party of Azerbaijan Qudrat Hasanquliyev.

So you admit you stole the name of the northwest region of Iran and called your counterfeit state “Azerbaijan” to steal the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) and annex it to your nonentity.

"We can not speak of the united Azerbaijan, as it is not like that. If we change the name of our country for North Azerbaijan, it would signal that there is also South Azerbaijan.

There has never been and there is no “South Azerbaijan” or “North Azerbaijan”. There's only one Real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) south of the Arax, yours is fake.

Moreover, we would inform the world about the historical truth of our country. I think it is a responsible and decisive step for us, including for the territorial integrity (??? Where and according to what document? H.). In case we win the presidential elections, we will take all actions for this idea to come true, for our party is called "United Azerbaijan" not by accident".

You would not inform. You never inform, all you do is misinform. The truth about you is that your “country's” name is fake, your history is fake, your geography is fake, your nationality is fake, your culture is fake, your heritage is fake, your genocide is fake, your monuments are fake, your ancestors are fake, your royal dynasties are fake, your heroes are fake, your poets are fake, your philosophers, etc., are fake. Your fake “Azerbaijan” is nothing but a genocidal, pan-Turkist extension of Turkey.

[Yedtarts]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Azerbaijan should change its name for North Azerbaijan, which corresponds to the reality

Maybe they should call it "Fictitious Baboonistan" which will correspond to a better reality

[Federate]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Qudrat Hasanquliyev: "Azerbaijan should change its name"
15 September 2008 [18:04] - Today.Az
"Azerbaijan should change its name for North Azerbaijan, which corresponds to the reality", said chairman of the United Popular Front Party of Azerbaijan Qudrat Hasanquliyev.

He said this demand complies with the first article of his election platform.

"We can not speak of the united Azerbaijan, as it is not like that. If we change the name of our country for North Azerbaijan, it would signal that there is also South Azerbaijan.

Moreover, we would inform the world about the historical truth of our country. I think it is a responsible and decisive step for us, including for the territorial integrity. In case we win the presidential elections, we will take all actions for this idea to come true, for our party is called "United Azerbaijan" not by accident".

/Day.Az/

Baboon source http://www.today.az/news/politics/47571.html

[Hellektor]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

...Azerbaijan's existence is in fact a justification of its own national identity no matter how it was created. Calling it fake does not contribute much to any kind of debate that is progressive.

Fake Rolex exists, so does fake Cartier, so do fake dollars, euros, etc. In fact I happen to have a fake Samsung remote right in front of me and when I hold it in my hand I can assure you it exists! More than that: it works. More than that it is possible that it will work longer than the original, nevertheless, a fake is a fake.

The fabricated nonentity that stole its name from the northwest province of Iran is fake (regardless I call it so), because there already exists a region called Azarbaijan (the real, Atrpatakan), named after Atrpat (Atropat) 2300 years ago, more than 2200 years before fake “Azerbaijan” was counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918 for pan-Turkist, genocidal purposes.

...just seems a lot of effort to 'prove' something everybody already knew.

For an omniscient sage of your standing, you are too kind and humble that you assume everybody knows what all the historians and geographers of antiquity from Herodotus to Polibi and Strabo to Ptolemy, Pliny, Plutarch, Arrian, etc., have written about the region as well as all the works of Islamic historians and geographers from Baladhuri, Ya’qubi, Tabari, Massoudi to Ibn Hawqal and Muqaddasi, etc., that deal with the same subject -to mention just one aspect of my exposé.

I did this for the common lay people who may not even have heard of all these guys (like myself some years ago) so that they'll know how fake, fake “Azerbaijan” actually is and how worthless and baseless their claims to the universe are. It is expected of a progressive, all knowing wonder of your caliber to have the magnanimity, in case of a stomach problem, to put a cork in it.

[numerodos]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Whatever historical context you put groups of people into, their very existence validates their ancestry. The creation of nationalism would be difficult without a shared culture or set of beliefs. Thus in the end Azerbaijan's existence is in fact a justification of its own national identity no matter how it was created. Calling it fake does not contribute much to any kind of debate that is progressive. You gotta deal with realities not their origins e.g. the existence of a Karabakh independent of Azerbaijan no matter how much they would like to deny it. Either way whatever floats your boat I guess, just seems a lot of effort to 'prove' something everybody already knew.

[Hellektor]

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The mosque's name is Abu Bakr. The "Azeri" garbage is Shiite as a result of the Iranian influence, therefore, they'll never name their mosques or offspring after Abu Bakr or Omar. This is a Sunni mosque and was frequented by Wahabis. It's nothing more than Shiite/Sunni feud or maybe an anti-Wahabi act.

[KarotheGreat]

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Blast hits Azerbaijan mosque

Two people have been killed and up to eight others wounded in a grenade attack on a mosque in Azerbaijan's capital of Baku.

Police said a hand grenade was thrown into the mosque during evening prayers on Sunday.

More than 100 worshippers had gathered in the Abu-Bekr mosque for evening prayers when the explosion occured, an official said.

Ehsan Zahidov, an interior ministry spokesman, said seven or eight people were hospitalised after the blast.

Azerbaijan's population are mostly Muslim, but the government of the former Soviet republic is secular.

From http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...919128315.html

Great to hear I hope there people in the building

[Federate]

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Blast hits Azerbaijan mosque

Two people have been killed and up to eight others wounded in a grenade attack on a mosque in Azerbaijan's capital of Baku.

Police said a hand grenade was thrown into the mosque during evening prayers on Sunday.

More than 100 worshippers had gathered in the Abu-Bekr mosque for evening prayers when the explosion occured, an official said.

Ehsan Zahidov, an interior ministry spokesman, said seven or eight people were hospitalised after the blast.

Azerbaijan's population are mostly Muslim, but the government of the former Soviet republic is secular.

From http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...919128315.html

[Hellektor]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Dr. Vladimir Stupishin (Ph.D. in History, Ph.D. in Law) is the former Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation to the Republic of Armenia. Dr. V. Stupishin is a long-time supporter of self-determination rights of the people of Nagorno - Karabakh Republic. He is also a resolute advocate for a strategic alliance between Armenia and Russia.

This is just my opinion: I believe, ever since the Armenians chose the path of an independent NKR instead of returning the Artsakh province to motherland Armenia (almost half of which is still under illegal “Azeri” occupation), they got themselves into deep shit.

While we shouldn't give up the right of self-determination argument, we have to let the “Azeri” garbage know that they have nothing, not a single thing, as far as territorial integrity is concerned.

The “Azeri” filth think fake “Azerbaijan” is the only country that can talk about territorial integrity, what territorial integrity? Where is the internationally recognized document that confirms the existence of an “Azerbaijan” north of the Arax as a subject of international law before 1991? Where is the legal document that shows the borders of a state called “Azerbaijan” north of the Arax River? According to which legal document can stolen and abused Nakhijevan be considered part of fake “Azerbaijan”? Even the illegal Moscow/Kars “treaty” that was imposed on Bolshevik occupied Armenia as a result of a bestial orgy between the Jew-Tatar Lenin and doenmeh Jew Kemal just puts Nakhijevan under the “protectorate” of fake “Azerbaijan”, not part of the bogus nonentity that draws maps with Nakhijevan (and liberated parts of Artsakh) as part of it as if nothing's wrong.

Let them present a single valid document that shows that Artsakh (and Nakhijevan for that matter) has ever been part of an independent fake “Azerbaijan”. When this fictitious “country” was being counterfeited by the Ottomans on Armenian territory in 1918 to prevent Armenia from establishing its independence after 543 years on territories that were not under Ottoman Tyranny, it did not have any territorial integrity. It was for this very reason, i.e. the lack of defined borders and the dispute of this artificially concocted two year old monster with its ancient neighbors over territory that caused the League of Nations to reject fake “Azerbaijan’s” bid to join, therefore, resulting into its non-recognition as a subject of international law before the fall of the USSR in 1991.

I think slowly but surely the Armenians have to raise the issue of the territorial integrity of Armenia, including the Wilsonian arbitration, to put a sock in the filthy muzzles of Turk parasites.