And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

[Armanen]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

God helps those who struggle and sacrifice themselves and keep their faiths alive!

We're on the same page man

[lampron]

Re: Spread the TRUTH

Indeed! And God willing we will see it done within our lifetimes!

God helps those who struggle and sacrifice themselves and keep their faiths alive!

The Turco-Tatars overran Anatolia, parts of the Caucasus and much of the Balkans because the Byzantines,Armenians and Bulgarians etc allowed them to do so

[Armanen]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Just like to point out that if "evil" didn't exist, we wouldn't know what "good" is, there always needs to be balance, that is why one of my favorite symbols is the yin & yang.

[Armenian]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Dear Armenian, I don't know how I missed this post of yours. I assume you are the Armenian of other forums and I have always admired your views, although I don't share all of them, a quality which complies with the most normal of human traits.

Contrary to popular belief, I 'allow' dissent - as long as it's done by true nationalists like yourself. Thus, I give you my permission to "disagree" with me as much as you like, if my "permission" means anything to you

First off, unless you are a priest, I don't understand why you got so worked up. I really don't understand how you could miss the tongue-in-cheek load of the thing. I agree, when you write something on a message board, the others do not see you, so when I said "the existence of … the Turk precludes the existence of god, because god, if he/she/it existed, wouldn't have, couldn't have, shouldn't have created the Turk", you must have imagined me with an angry face, really believing that god does not exist because he/she/it couldn't have been so cruel to create the industrious Armenian and the savage Turk that destroyed whatever the Armenian built. What I was trying to say is that it's not god willing, like Armanen said, that the Turkish cancer will be eradicated but by our own willingness and effort, which in fact confirms your point that god doesn't get involved in geopolitics!

You are right. When typed words electronically appear in cyberspace it lacks a 'human' touch - there is no voice, no body gesture, no obvious feeling in it. As a result, comments can be perceived incorrectly at times. I thought you were serious. So yes, you are correct... Just like Satan, creatures like Turks preclude the existence of an all good universal creator God. Christ our God said love your enemies but he also said 'hate' evil. And no, I am not a priest. But I am religious in my own way. Although my 'personal' theological beliefs are very unorthodox, I fully support our Apostolic Church for cultural and national reasons.

Let me put this straight: I do not subscribe to the puny, vengeful, racist, sadistic, unjust, jealous, impotent god of religion, invented by Jews a couple of thousand years ago when they thought our Earth was the largest object in the universe, it was flat and the stars revolved around it, there was a thing called the sky where rain and snow fell from at the command of god, etc., facts that are reflected all over the so-called scriptures. Those Rabbis who wrote these, though they were the learned people of their age, will get an F in a science exam of third grade primary school today.

Let me put this straight: I don't subscribe to such false and evil theologies either. I reject the Christian Old Testament (Tanakh/Torah). I only accept Christ's Gospel (New Testament). And even with the Christian Gospel, I find myself reading between the lines.

This is the theology I more-or-less subscribe to: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=10028

If there is such a thing as god, i.e. a conscious being that created the universe, then it (allow me to not qualify it with male or female attributes) should be so vast and immense that it would be EVERYWHERE, in ALL molecules and atoms of ALL existing elements, material things and energy in the entirety if quadrillions of stars and planets and galaxies of the universe, controlling EVERY SINGLE electron and proton movement EVERYWHERE, from the cake you eat to the bacteria to the atoms in excrement, from the germs in a decomposing corpse to the billions of electrical activities in the chips of all computers and neurons of all brains, from the scimitar of the Turk to the globules of the blood that gush out of the severed neck of the Armenian and in stone and soil and water and air and light and sound and fire and waves and what not. I cannot fathom such a single being, yet that's how I see god if it existed. It is impossible for me (and indeed anyone who would take their time and think about the vastness of the universe) to accept the existence of such unimaginably vast SINGLE consciousness.

I totally understand you and I agree with you. In essence, we are on the same page regarding theology. The only difference between you and I is that I, a long time ago, convinced myself that a supreme supernatural being, a heavenly creator (architect/designer), that we mortals call God - exists. I don't know its sex, its name, its address, its nature... I simply know/feel that he/she/it exists. I also know/feel that 'evil' exists on earth in forms of demons/spirits that are totally independent of the creator God. In finally analysis, finite mortals such as ourselves are unable to comprehend the infinite wisdom and nature of a being like the creator of our universe.

Too bad I don't live up to your expectations! I do respect our church and I do respect our religious men who unlike the mullahs have contributed immensely to our survival from Sahak Partev, Mashtots, Narekatsi to Komitas and Khrimian Hyrik, and I do believe it's a good thing that the Armenian Church exists, but I regret I have to tell you I cannot understand how intelligent people in this age of progress, when man has walked on the moon and when there, they saw and experienced that they were on the ground and the Earth was in the "sky" and there was no heaven, can still take every word of the poorly written, plagiarized Jew mythology seriously. I'm sad that what I say could hurt you and the likes of you, but the person that I am, I cannot pretend to believe in something that I don't to please others.

Seek to live up to 'your' expectations, no one else's. Having said that, I must also say you have done a magnificent job with your essay in this thread. I am looking forward to you publishing it.

P.S. I prefer when you say Levin Petrosstein. I laughed my ass off when I first read it and invented (inspired or stole, you decide!) my Levin Peterstein. BTW, they should hang this Zionist traitor in Azatutiun Square or put a bullet in his head or a bomb under his car or some radioactive shit in his food... yet the ugly, cacophonous screeches of the unworthy son of Richard, fatass Raffi and the sort to "conciliate" him with Serge prove that our people don't learn from their gravest mistakes, the most important reason of our failures.

"Levin Petrostein"

I am proud of that invention of mine. Now I can retire knowing that I have impacted Armenian life and politics. But seriously, as long as treasonous criminals like Levon Petrosian, filthy pigs like Raffi Hovanisian and sewer rats like Alex Arzumanian exist as prominant members within our people, we will remain pathetic, insignificant and endangered as a nation. I am almost middle aged and I have 'never' in my life 'wished' for the death of an individual, even that of a criminal... Levon was the first for me.

[Armenian]

Re: I'm ready

Dear skhara, I was editing the post and since I don't like the line "Last edited by..." to be added at the end, I always delete and post anew,

I though that was only my obsession

I'm anxiously waiting to see what he has to say (There, you even managed to squeeze a smiley out of me!)

Who, me?

O boy Hellektor -- I think you'll get Armenian going on this topic.

Don't understand?

What are you two up to?

[Hellektor]

I'm ready

O boy Hellektor -- I think you'll get Armenian going on this topic.

Dear skhara,

I was editing the post and since I don't like the line "Last edited by..." to be added at the end, I always delete and post anew, so your post came before mine.

I'm anxiously waiting to see what he has to say

(There, you even managed to squeeze a smiley out of me!)

[Hellektor]

Take it easy man!

You were doing pretty good until you got off on this strange tangent. First begin searching within yourself to find God before you begin criticizing him/her/it for not getting involved in geopolitics. And who says God "created" Turks? I have yet to see Turks mentioned in any of the creation accounts... Just listen to what you are saying, Hellektor. I know you are smarter than this. Anyway, Armenians have suffered because of two fundamental reasons: 1) living in a screwed up geographic location 2) having an abundance of xxxxed up individuals (like the treasonous Levon Petrosian) throughout our history. So, I suggest you keep God out of our earthly mess (that which humanity has created) and begin thinking about how we can help the Armenia we have today prosper. And yes, as long as an individual like the cancerous filth, Levon Petrosian, remains free in Armenia the danger for us remains. However, it's quite obvious why Levon Petrosian is not being jailed or shot - he has international support and a large following within Armenia. And even here, you can't blame God.

Dear Armenian,

I don't know how I missed this post of yours. I assume you are the Armenian of other forums and I have always admired your views, although I don't share all of them, a quality which complies with the most normal of human traits.

What I say here, I have said it before in the same way or another. First off, unless you are a priest, I don't understand why you got so worked up. I really don't understand how you could miss the tongue-in-cheek load of the thing. I agree, when you write something on a message board, the others do not see you, so when I said "the existence of … the Turk precludes the existence of god, because god, if he/she/it existed, wouldn't have, couldn't have, shouldn't have created the Turk", you must have imagined me with an angry face, really believing that god does not exist because he/she/it couldn't have been so cruel to create the industrious Armenian and the savage Turk that destroyed whatever the Armenian built.

What I was trying to say is that it's not god willing, like Armanen said, that the Turkish cancer will be eradicated but by our own willingness and effort, which in fact confirms your point that god doesn't get involved in geopolitics!

But to the point: we must at this day and age be at least on a level to tolerate each others' beliefs, though they might not necessarily be palatable to us. If we, Armenians, with our historically tolerant and forgiving characteristics, start behaving like bigoted Muslims who will decapitate anyone who says something against their belief, then I must say I am not that hopeful for the future.

Let me put this straight: I do not subscribe to the puny, vengeful, racist, sadistic, unjust, jealous, impotent god of religion, invented by Jews a couple of thousand years ago when they thought our Earth was the largest object in the universe, it was flat and the stars revolved around it, there was a thing called the sky where rain and snow fell from at the command of god, etc., facts that are reflected all over the so-called scriptures. Those Rabbis who wrote these, though they were the learned people of their age, will get an F in a science exam of third grade primary school today.

If there is such a thing as god, i.e. a conscious being that created the universe, then it (allow me to not qualify it with male or female attributes) should be so vast and immense that it would be EVERYWHERE, in ALL molecules and atoms of ALL existing elements, material things and energy in the entirety if quadrillions of stars and planets and galaxies of the universe, controlling EVERY SINGLE electron and proton movement EVERYWHERE, from the cake you eat to the bacteria to the atoms in excrement, from the germs in a decomposing corpse to the billions of electrical activities in the chips of all computers and neurons of all brains, from the scimitar of the Turk to the globules of the blood that gush out of the severed neck of the Armenian and in stone and soil and water and air and light and sound and fire and waves and what not.

I cannot fathom such a single being, yet that's how I see god if it existed. It is impossible for me (and indeed anyone who would take their time and think about the vastness of the universe) to accept the existence of such unimaginably vast SINGLE consciousness.

Too bad I don't live up to your expectations! I do respect our church and I do respect our religious men who unlike the mullahs have contributed immensely to our survival from Sahak Partev, Mashtots, Narekatsi to Komitas and Khrimian Hyrik, and I do believe it's a good thing that the Armenian Church exists, but I regret I have to tell you I cannot understand how intelligent people in this age of progress, when man has walked on the moon and when there, they saw and experienced that they were on the ground and the Earth was in the "sky" and there was no heaven, can still take every word of the poorly written, plagiarized Jew mythology seriously. I'm sad that what I say could hurt you and the likes of you, but the person that I am, I cannot pretend to believe in something that I don't to please others.

Dear Armenian, I do not need an outside god and do not need to perform stupid rituals to understand the meaning of life and if by searching within to find god this is what you mean I have always known the god inside. I do understand the meaning of life because I am an artistic person. Life is a one time occasion that you are given by god, chance, fate, nature, evolution, etc. (I don't care) where, if you have a little luck, you should do whatever you like, with the sole condition it's not to the detriment of others, enjoy it (what we are deprived of by some sick, religious fascists where I live) and by founding a family and having offspring, you pass on your genes, and if you are lucky some more, you also see grandchildren who guarantee the continuation of you after you're gone or in an artist's case you live through the art you leave behind. So, you should make use of every moment in your life and if you achieve your goals you have nothing to regret. There's nothing after we are gone and why should there be?

P.S. I prefer when you say Levin Petrosstein. I laughed my ass off when I first read it and invented (inspired or stole, you decide!) my Levin Peterstein. BTW, they should hang this Zionist traitor in Azatutiun Square or put a bullet in his head or a bomb under his car or some radioactive shit in his food... yet the ugly, cacophonous screeches of the unworthy son of Richard, fatass Raffi and the sort to "conciliate" him with Serge prove that our people don't learn from their gravest mistakes, the most important reason of our failures.

[skhara]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

O boy Hellektor -- I think you'll get Armenian going on this topic.

[Hellektor]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Hellektor
You are an admirable Armenian patriot. Thank you.
Keep up the good work!

You are welcome and thanks for the kind words.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd

Hellektor
You are an admirable Armenian patriot. Thank you.
Keep up the good work!