Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

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FM: Final stage in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict settlement will be establishing Azerbaijani flag over Khankendi
26.05.2010 20:57

Azerbaijan, Baku, May 26 /Trend, E.Tariverdiyeva/

Now it is difficult to talk about the time of completion of the peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, but the final step will be that the Azerbaijani flag will again fly over Khankendi, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov briefed the media on May 26.

"It needs to hold elections with the participation of the two communities, which should determine the further status within the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan," he said.
According to the minister, he will meet with the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs in early June.

"We will discuss the results of the meeting of co-chairs with Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian, which was held in Brussels in May," Mammadyarov said.

According to him, the Azerbaijani side should discuss with the co-chairs the next step of the negotiation process, but only if the Armenian side agrees with the updated Madrid principles.

Commenting on Barack Obama's nominating Matthew Bryza as an ambassador to Azerbaijan, the foreign minister said that it was approved by the Azerbaijani side, but for Bryza's appointment of an ambassador, certain procedures should take place in the U.S. Senate.

http://en.trend.az/news/politics/foreign/1694879.html

Wow someone is hoped up on some hallucinogen isnt he

[ashot24]

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RA MFA: speaking of any territorial concessions senseless
May 27, 2010 - 17:08 AMT 12:08 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Armenian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Shavarsh Kocharyan said that currently Azerbaijan is toughening its stance on Nagorno Karabakh, being guided by all-or-nothing principle.

“Recent statements by Turkish officials have also contributed to this,” Kocharyan told journalists on May 27.

“As a result, Elmar Mammadyarov says that the conflict will be resolved as soon as “the Azerbaijani flag is waving over Khankendi (Stepanakert),” Kocharyan said.

“Taking into consideration such statements, Armenia believes that the only acceptable solution is the preservation of the current status-quo. And it makes no sense speaking of any concessions, which will weaken our positions against the background of similar bellicose statements,” he said.

Kocharyan added that Armenia cannot and will not cede any territory. “The conflict is between Azerbaijan and NKR. And if Baku wants to display a constructive approach, let it recognize NKR independence and withdraw its troops from the occupied territories of Karabakh – Shahumyan and Getashen. For us, the most important issue is the status of Nagorno Karabakh; all the other matters will be solved between Baku and Stepanakert. As for negotiations, they will continue within the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group based on three principles: the people’s right to self-determination, non-application of force and principle of territorial integrity. Finally, OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs speak about Karabakh’s immediate participation in the negotiations,” the Deputy Foreign Minister said.

Kocharyan also noted that Baku lacks both internal and foreign policy. “It has only propaganda. The leadership does not care what ordinary people think. As for its foreign policy, they are interested in voicing “occupation, one million of refugees” words rather than in the process of the Karabakh conflict resolution. However, Armenia should be more active to present its stance to the international community. Azerbaijan could save its face, agreeing to the problem resolution based on the Madrid Principles,” Kocharyan concluded.

http://panarmenian.net/eng/politics/news/49202/RA_MFA_speaking_of_any_territorial_concessions_senseless

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I couldn't have thought of a better and more adequate response

[ashot24]

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Baku has not yet realized and, most apparently, she’ll no longer realize that Nagorno-Karabakh is lost for her

Serious experts and political scientists have long been disregarding the verbal tinsel around the Karabakh conflict.

The parliamentary elections in the Republic of Artsakh reaffirmed the absolute reluctance of Azerbaijan to enter into negotiations with the main party to the conflict. Naturally, no one expected the elections to be recognized or, at least, to go unnoticed. Everything was as usual: Baku once again declared that the election contradicted the Constitution of Azerbaijan, the observers “did not have the permission of the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry to visit the occupied territories”, etc. In short, nothing new.

May 25, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - The Azeri Foreign Minister once again launched into a tirade: “Azerbaijan expresses its concern to the international partners about the negative impact that the “parliamentary elections” held on May 23 in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan can have on the current process of peaceful settlement of the conflict.” And all this happens despite the fact that Spokesman of the Foreign Ministry of Russia declares Moscow does not believe that the process of peaceful settlement may depend on the elections in Nagorno-Karabakh. Much the same is expressed in the statement of OSCE Minsk Group: “The elections should not preempt the determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh in the broader framework of the peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.” But the Azeri Foreign Ministry is of a different opinion, or rather it is unable to acknowledge that there exists a point of view, different from Ilham Aliyev’s outlook of the world and the region. By the way, serious experts and political scientists have long been disregarding the verbal tinsel around the Karabakh conflict, which is as far from being regulated as it was 20 years ago. Neither anyone pays attention to the OSCE Minsk Group official statements, as keep-alive statements are non-binding.

But if we do not really pay any attention to all this (and it is exactly what Nagorno-Karabakh does), it should be noted that almost nobody in the world doubts the right of NKR people to decide their own fate and elect the parliament or the president they need. Hardly is it possible that all the observers took a rose-coloured view of the election, and even more so they were all “bought” by Armenians. Baku is very fond of saying that the Armenian lobby has bought up almost the entire world and now raises its hand against “Islamic solidarity”, of which there is not even a trace. We believe, most of all the Azerbaijanis were “irritated” at the presence of Iranian observers. But how to explain to them that Iran borders on Karabakh and it is necessary for her to know how the elections are held there and what can ever be expected from this neighbor. Turkey shares no border with Karabakh, so Ankara “does not recognize” the elections. But it is simply interesting whether Turkey would send observers to Karabakh if it had a common border with it. Most likely it would, in order to satisfy its own interest.

Here, perhaps, it would be appropriate to recall that 10-15 years ago, the Armenian side very nervously responded to any statements by international bodies. However, time has shown that stock phrases do not cost a penny, otherwise Baku would have long been expelled from the Council of Europe and other organizations for her “undemocratic” elections. And not only Baku...

But there are things that are hardly within the power of Baku, Chisinau or Tbilisi, and they shouldn’t be forgotten. Elections in Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as in Abkhazia, South Ossetia or Transnistria were held and will be held as desired by the population of these breakaway republics. Nobody and nothing will ever force the Armenians, Abkhazians and Ossetians to return to the metropolis: too unsuccessful was the attempt to live together. It’s true that they can be made to act against their will, but only in one case, through a war. But even in this case there there is no guarantee that it will end successfully for the side that seeks revenge. These are not emotions, but the mere truth: the Azeris will not fight for the sake of Ilham Aliyev to keep his throne, and for the land of Karabakh so the more. As for the world community... it has neither the time nor the willingness to deal with a conflict on the territory of former Soviet Union. And finally, the Republic of Artsakh never seeks recognition as an independent state. The most important thing is that she herself feels she is such.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/details/49078/Baku_has_not_yet_realized_and_most_apparently_shell_no_longer_realize_that_NagornoKarabakh_is_lost_for_her

[ashot24]

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«Եվրատեսիլի» կազմակերպիչները Ադրբեջանի քարտեզը պատկերել են առանց ԼՂ ազատագրված տարածքների
14:31 • 28.05.10



Ադրբեջանում ուշադիր ուսումնասիրել են «Եվրատեսիլ–2010»–ում իրենց երկրի մասնակցին ներկայացնող տեսահոլովակը և նկատել, որ Ադրբեջանի քարտեզը ներկայացվել է առանց Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի ազատագրված տարածքների։

Ադրբեջանցիները դիտավորություն են տեսել նաև նրանում, որ մինչ մյուս երկրների քարտեզները էկրանին երևացել են մի քանի վայրկյան, Ադրբեջանի քարտեզը «հայտնվել ու անհետացել է ակնթարթորեն»։

Ադրբեջանական լրատվամիջոցները հաղորդում են, որ ներկայում Բաքուն աշխատանքներ է տանում մինչև եզրափակիչը երգի մրցույթի կազմակերպիչների «սխալը շտկելու» ուղղությամբ։

http://tert.am/am/news/2010/05/28/azerbaijan/

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Haha I knew it wasn't solely my imagination! For those who watched Eurovision, I was specially curious about the maps on the countries presentation cards. What called my attention, was Armenia and Azerbaijan maps.

On the map of Armenia, the TV didn't show the Syunik region and parts of Gegharkunik, our map was enlarged so that it can only show our Northern regions.

On the map of Azerbaijan though, it was displayed extremely fast, oddly fast I must say. You could clearly see that oddly enough, just NKR's territory in its full extension was left out of the map. Now this can be of some reasons, one of them, and the most likely, is that the map was displayed so fast that it couldn't conform all the "de jure" Azerbaijan recognized territory...however it is also interesting to note that will all other countries' maps were shown for about 3 to 5 seconds (even the largest countries like Russia), Azerbaijan's was shown up less than 3...cutting immediately to another animation. Why? I don't know

Anyways, that's left for interpretation and maybe some don't notice. But I am just glad to know not only Azerbaijan sucked in Eurovision, they sucked big time...and everyone (except Turks and Azeries trying to save some face) agrees.

See it for yourself though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2EXgQeIEHE

[Davo88]

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So this was supposed to be a map of people who were watching the Azeri singer at that moment? It is only natural that Karabakh Armenians were not watching. Indeed Azerbaijan as a whole was not shown, in fact I barely saw Nakhichevan although it did seem bright enough. However Azerbaijan's map looks much better without Karabakh and Nakhichevan if you know what I mean.

As for Armenia, if Syunik was not shown, it is only to hide the fact that the Karabakh people were watching.

[ninetoyadome]

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FM: Final stage in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict settlement will be establishing Azerbaijani flag over Khankendi
26.05.2010 20:57

Azerbaijan, Baku, May 26 /Trend, E.Tariverdiyeva/

Now it is difficult to talk about the time of completion of the peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, but the final step will be that the Azerbaijani flag will again fly over Khankendi, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov briefed the media on May 26.

"It needs to hold elections with the participation of the two communities, which should determine the further status within the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan," he said.
According to the minister, he will meet with the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs in early June.

"We will discuss the results of the meeting of co-chairs with Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian, which was held in Brussels in May," Mammadyarov said.

According to him, the Azerbaijani side should discuss with the co-chairs the next step of the negotiation process, but only if the Armenian side agrees with the updated Madrid principles.

Commenting on Barack Obama's nominating Matthew Bryza as an ambassador to Azerbaijan, the foreign minister said that it was approved by the Azerbaijani side, but for Bryza's appointment of an ambassador, certain procedures should take place in the U.S. Senate.

http://en.trend.az/news/politics/foreign/1694879.html

Azerbaijani flag can be a piece at Military Museum of Stepanakert

Flag of Azerbaijan can become a museum piece at the Military Museum of Stepanakert, Nagorno Karabakh, said in Saturday’s press conference member of the Public Council of the Defense Ministry of Armenia, military psychologist, David Jamalian. This comment was made in respond to statements of Defense Minister of Azerbaijan, Elmar Mamediarov, who said that epilog of the Karabakh conflict will come when flag of Azerbaijan will fly in Stepanakert.

According to Jamalian, Elmar Mamediarov’s statements are being made for home use only to demonstrate that country’s authorities remain firm to promote their own views and opinions in order to prevent a frustration among Azerbaijani people due to loss of Artsakh as them are still hoping that Artsakh will be part of Azerbaijan.

“We can understand that these are statements made by a disappointed person as there is not a single chance to hoist the flag of Azerbaijan to fly in Stepanakert. The flag of Azerbaijan can find a place only in the Military Museum of Stepanakert,” Jamalian added.


TODAY, 14:12

Aysor.am

[ashot24]

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We're 7th in Eurovision with 141 points. Russia, Israel and Holland gave us 12 points. Georgia gave us 10.

Russia 11th with 90 points, Georgia 9th with 136 points, Azerbaijan 5th with 145 points, Turkey 2nd with 170.

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Good thing, Artsakh is once again shown independent from Azerbaijan.

Check it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdX-6HF84M

They didn't show that part of the map to disguise, but Azerbaijan's southern territories are cut in half because of NKR, and you could clearly see that on the screen.

[Tigranakert]

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Haha, I love it. The Azeris have spent MILLIONS of dollars on their promotion tour (and on adds all over the internet), buyed jury members of the Eurovision song contest and they wrote tens of articles a day about how great Safura was, how she would definitely win the song contest. They hired Lady Gaga's, Beyonce's, Michael Jacksons choreagrapher and other professionals. The score? They were 5th hahahaha

Now (as always when they lose) they are crying and shouting that Eurovision is biased, that they are political and mention Nagorno-Karabakh and the Armenian genocide and all sorts of stuff...

This makes my day, haha! Sub-humans they are...

This year, Azerbaijani contestant Safura Alizade, the 17-year old winner of the local version of American Idol, placed ads all over the Internet saying a victory could "change her destiny." She also worked with JaQuel Knight, Beyonce's choreographer, and Rupert Wainwright, the director of Stigmata, to produce a glossy video for her entry "Drip Drop".

Eurovision-2010: the afterwords
30 May 2010 [10:40] - Today.Az

Well, the 55th Eurovision-2010 contest is now over, and the 19 year old Lena Meyer-Landrut is the reason Germany will be hosting the next, 56th contest of Eurovision. Young singer took off an early start, and enjoyed a comfortable lead pretty much throughout the whole voting process. Germany finished with 246 points. Manga from Turkey finished second, with 170 points, and Romania took the honors of the 3rd place with 162 points. Despite predictions, Azerbaijani participant Safura Alizadeh, who had to go first in the Finals, finished 5th, with a total of 145 points. Overall, the contest went on well, however some unpleasant moments put their mark on the whole show.


Political context

Sadly, Eurovision contest sometimes becomes very political, especially when it comes to voting. Neighboring countries freely give away highest points to their "friends", "partners", and neighbors. And, for some wrong reason, this is being taken into consideration, yet Eurovision contests should be about talent and singing.

There, for example, was a gross mistake mentioned, which concerned Azerbaijan, about which we wrote here - http://www.today.az/news/politics/68887.html. Some people thought it was nothing, others believed this was done intentionally, and Armenian delegation at Eurovision had something to do with it. Sadly, the later published reports in the armenian press conclude this theory. It's sad to know that such thing as the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh territory, which is nothing but a headache and inner pain for Azerbaijanis, had to be mentioned at Eurovision-2010.

It pretty much is the same as with "Armenian genocide" - "such thing should be decided by historians, not by politicians", this phrase was said by many political analysts, and officials. Same thing with Karabakh, which has absolutely nothing to do with Eurovision song contest, which is all about singing, not about the occupied territories.


"Drip Drop"

Let's be fair here - things are not as bad as they seem. First of all, 5th spot is not the worst ever, and it could have been a lot worse. Watching pretty much all the news about Safura's trip to Oslo, her shootings, tight schedule and all that - I can say, the girl worked hard, she knew the responsibility. I never really cared for the predictions, because to me, Eurovision-2010 is everything but predictable (what a bullxxxx, all their news articles were firstly about predictions, but ah they are Azeris, they lie about everything). Had our youngster more experience, maybe she would have done better.

After the contest, Safura admitted that she already recorded an album in Sweden, which consists of 11 songs, and a presentation of the mentioned album is to be held in Germany on 18th of June. Later, Safura plans to represent it to the Baku public. Safura is a patriot, who admitted, she "would represent Azerbaijan all over the world". Safura is a singer from heart, no doubt, so she still has songs to sing, people to amaze, and years to prosper. Best of luck to her, nothing less, go get 'em girl! As of now, we have a solid 5th spot on the 55th Eurovision-2010 song contest, and Safura did not go down without a fight. So, a big thanks goes to all of those who has supported her!

[Tigranakert]

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Safura daughter of king Aliyev...

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.voskanapat.info&sl=ru&tl=en

[Federate]

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Azerbaijan's Eurovision 2010 contestant target of criticism: cold shower for Azerbaijan

Covetousness of Azerbaijani authorities to ‘buy’ everything possible or impossible had another manifestation in Eurovision 2010, however, it proved like ‘cold shower’. Who will answer for $10-million project of Safura?, Azerbaijani Turan writes.

Although the Azerbaijani authorities spent $10 million for the singer Safura, she has won only the fifth place at Eurovision 2010 song contest. However, European tabloids predicted Safura’s victory. To make things even brighter let’s note that Norway spent $17 million for organization of the contest.

The best dress designer and composer as well as the most expensive room in the hotel did not convince the audience that Safura is the best of the best. Money didn’t do its job quite well.

Safura’s song and performance was also on average. So, is it true that $10 million has been spent for Safura? Generally, the song was nothing specific, but just like ordinary songs, while the contest needs something remarkable and unique.

Azerbaijanis are very excited to find who decided to allocate $10 million to Safura and why. Azerbaijan has many times been represented in international contests while none of the participants was provided such big amount of money.

However, today no one wants to confess that $10 mln. was 'wasted'. The society has the right to know.

To compare, let us note that annually only $0,5 million is allocated to young scholars for doctoral studies, while for abroad studies $15 million is provided.

Lots of Azerbaijanis are starving in great many regions of the country, while Azerbaijan spends $10 mln. for a contest.

http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2010/05/31/safura/