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  • Mher
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    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    At the end, they will claim, that when Lwis Armstrong walked on the moon, it was thanks to the map on their flag, since the moon too is an ancient turkic land....
    hahahaha
    these people take delusion to another level

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  • Tsov
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    The Story Behind the 1988 Baku-Gyumri Airline Disaster

    ՈՒրբաթ, 19 դեկտեմբեր, 2014 - 14:35 | Թաթուլ Հակոբյան
    Բաժիններ` ԼՐԱՀՈՍ, Հեղինակային հաղորդումներ, ՁԱՅՆ

    1988-earthquakeIn the early morning hours of December 11, 1988, the Baku-Gyumri airline flight IL-76M crashed into the mountains and perished 15 kilometers from the Gyumri airport. Of the 69 passengers and nine crew, only one person, Azerbaijani Fahraddin Balaev survived, as he was lucky enough to be in the cab of a truck at the tail end of the airplane. This was Armenia’s worst air catastrophe, about which only a few people within and probably beyond its borders know about.

    I will elaborate on the details later, but first let me explain why I’m dwelling on this incident only 26 years later. Azerbaijani CBC (Caspian Broadcasting Company) satellite television network that broadcasts primarily in Russian (it also has news broadcasts in English, Armenian and Persian), aired a film on December 11 relaying the events of the flight IL-76M catastrophe, falsifying the story from beginning to end.

    Very little was written about the crash of the Baku-Gyumri flight at that time for two reasons: First, during the Soviet Union, even in 1988, not only were there very few news reports about airline disasters, but there was also a deliberate attempt to hide them from people.The second and perhaps main reason was that the crash of flight IL-76M occurred four days after the devastating December 7, 1988 earthquake and, certainly this plane crash couldn’t have attracted such attention because it was pushed to the background of the disaster that claimed the lives of 25 thousand people.

    In recent years, Azerbaijan has begun to bring up the issue of the airplane crash in an attempt to further tarnish the image of Armenia. If previously, Azerbaijan considered the circumstances surrounding the plane crash as mysterious, today it is leveling direct accusations against Armenia, saying that the pilots were allegedly given wrong coordinates deliberately, resulting in the plane crash in the mountains. The real cause of the crash, according to the black box and the conclusion was that it was human error by the crew. The ensuing investigation also revealed that the flight crew did not have enough rest during the days preceding the flight, and made several consecutive flights the days prior.

    In fact, weather conditions in December 1988 were very unfavorable. At the time, there was another air tragedy involving a plane from Yugoslavia bringing aid for the victims of the earthquake. It crashed in the valley between the towns of Etchmiadzin and Armavir. There are also claims that the leader of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev miraculously survived a near crash of his plane. Gorbachev had terminated his official visit to New York to visit the disaster zone, Gyumri.

    Azerbaijan says that flight IL-76M was an Azerbaijani plane which rushed to the aid of the earthquake victims, and the “treacherous” Armenians shot it down. The truth is, the aircraft belonged to the Ministry of Defence of the Soviet Union, the military air force located on Lithuanian territory. The nine pilots of the airplane were all Russians (here are their last names – Brilyov, Sokolov, Razumni, Plashkin, Ivlev, Sherkov, Ribalchenko, Avilov, Altukhov). The Azerbaijani side repeatedly states that the aircraft passengers were Azerbaijanis, which is only partly true. In fact, the passengers were multinational – 50 Azerbaijani, 13 Lezgin, 11 Russians, two Tatars, one Armenian and one xxx. All of them were reserve officers of the USSR Armed Forces, who were coming to carry out rescue operations in Gyumri. The sole survivor, Azerbaijani Fahraddin Balaev died 22 years after the disaster, in 2010. The Azerbaijanis claim that Balaev was left in Gyumri without medical care. The truth is, he was taken to Moscow from Gyumri on a military helicopter, received treatment and returned to Azerbaijan.

    The December 7 earthquake shook the whole world. Armenia received aid not only from abroad, including the Diaspora, but also from former Soviet republics, including Azerbaijan. It is true that the Karabakh problem had already drawn a line between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, the Sumgait massacre had already taken place, but Armenia and Azerbaijan were and still would be a part of the USSR until 1991. During those days of disaster, Armenia hosted the USSR government, which included Azerbaijani leader Abdurahman Vezirov. It is also true that the Azerbaijani government sent their condolences to the Armenian people and government. Moreover, the government of Soviet Armenia awarded the Azerbaijani rescuers (the group was led by Emil Akhundov) who were working in the village of Gharibjanyan near Gyumri and primarily assisting the villages from the Amasya region, with a certificate of gratitude. The population of the Amasya region was more than 70% Azerbaijani.

    In fact, Azerbaijani aid to the victims of the Gyumri earthquake was very limited for two main reasons: First, as I mentioned, the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict was already under way, and during the days following the earthquake, the train carriages arriving in Yerevan from Baku, had messages written on them in big letters congratulating Armenia for the earthquake.

    Today, some Azerbaijanis dare to say out loud that they are ashamed of this atrocious act by their countrymen. After the earthquake the trains carrying aid to the earthquake victims from various cities of the USSR were looted while passing through Azerbaijani territory. In the Soviet era, 85% of Armenia’s trade was through Makhachkala (Dagestan)-Baku-Nakhichevan-Yerevan railway.

    The second reason was that Armenia, as a country in mourning, did not want to receive aid from a republic where the Sumgait massacre had taken place a few months earlier. There were cases when Armenians sent back Azerbaijani aid right from the border, and Armenia’s Prime Minister at the time Fadei Sargsyan wrote about this in his book entitled “The Lessons of Life”.

    The first plane from Azerbaijan to help the victims of the earthquake landed at the Gyumri airport in the morning of December 9. Today, Azerbaijani propaganda, distorting the truth, is spreading false information, claiming that the plane was allegedly held up at the airport for 11 hours, and the Armenians did not even give water to the rescuers. Azerbaijani CBC Television’s film says that “Vagif Akhundov rescued a Russian child and a whole Armenian family, a mother and two children, but the Armenians struck him in his back with some kind of an instrument,” because he was an Azerbaijani.

    Immoral falsifications don’t end with this. The film claims that French rescuers allegedly discovered bodies of murdered Azerbaijani children there, who were brutally killed by Armenians before December 7.

    Today, the Azerbaijani side has again put the 1988 December 11 airplane crash into circulation, in an attempt to counterbalance and to equalize it with the Armenian helicopter that was shot down in November of 2014 near the Karabakh-Azerbaijan line of contact. In this way, Baku probably hopes to ease the international community’s response, which, albeit indirectly, condemned Azerbaijan’s provocative actions – the shooting down of a helicopter performing a training flight.

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  • Vrej1915
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    Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
    I like how they claim Armenians steal from our neighbors and in the same article they claim Persian poets and writers as azeri and how they claim duduk is turkish. Also i have not heard any Armenian claim khachapuri.


    I am just curious on one point.
    In which language and alphabet the turks did create a dictionary in the 7 th century, and where exactly was it created??? In the steppes of Turkestan, or in the pre-Bagradite Armenia?
    Or might be on the moon??

    This point is as impressive as Erdogan's discovery of America by unknown muslims....

    At the end, they will claim, that when Lwis Armstrong walked on the moon, it was thanks to the map on their flag, since the moon too is an ancient turkic land....
    Last edited by Vrej1915; 12-27-2014, 09:32 AM.

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    This article rather deserved a place in the smile of the day thread
    I like how they claim Armenians steal from our neighbors and in the same article they claim Persian poets and writers as azeri and how they claim duduk is turkish. Also i have not heard any Armenian claim khachapuri.

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  • Vrej1915
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    Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
    Azerbaijan develops "lie detector" to unmask Armenia's falsifications
    26 DECEMBER 2014, 16:10 (GMT+04:00)

    By Mushvig Mehdiyev
    Azerbaijani scientists have developed a special "lie detector" to unmask Armenia's falsifications, said Fuad Akhundov, Deputy Head of the Public and ----
    word “ash" that means to cook and etymologically belongs to Turkic world.
    The Azerbaijani literature contains basic information about Lavash by the greatest poets and writers, including Nizami Ganjavi, Mehseti Ganjavi and Xagani Shirvani.

    This article rather deserved a place in the smile of the day thread

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Azerbaijan develops "lie detector" to unmask Armenia's falsifications
    26 DECEMBER 2014, 16:10 (GMT+04:00)

    By Mushvig Mehdiyev
    Azerbaijani scientists have developed a special "lie detector" to unmask Armenia's falsifications, said Fuad Akhundov, Deputy Head of the Public and Political Department at Azerbaijan's Presidential Administration.
    "The recent attempts by Armenia to include Lavash in the Intangible Heritage List of UNESCO as Armenian bread, as well as its attempt to usurp Duduk as an Armenian musical instrument inspired the Azerbaijani scientists to examine into the old Armenian dictionaries. Interestingly enough, there is no trace of these words in the dictionaries" Akhundov said at a press-conference on December 25.
    Akhundov added that the newly initiated project is particularly focused on the Armenian society.
    He said Elshad Alili, a linguist in the Caucasian History Center, reviewed 18 ancient Armenian dictionaries but found nothing related to the words lavash and duduk which have Turkic roots.
    "This comes as most ancient Turkic dictionaries contain these words since the 7th century," Akhudov noted.
    "If the Armenians, as they claim, have been using those words from old time, we should find them in their dictionaries. Armenians created an Armenian-Russian dictionary in 1837 which doesn't include the words lavash and duduk. In other words, the Armenian lexicon has never owned these words," Akhundov said.
    The "lie detector" will be the main instrument to stand against the mechanism of spreading of Armenia's lies, according to Akhundov.
    "Armenia has added the description of Lavash in its modern dictionaries and even Wikipedia. But our linguist Alili is working on the original ancient dictionaries belonging to the 18th century," he said.
    Akhundov noted that the main objective of the "lie detector" is to demonstrate the Armenian society that its government presents them a falsified history about Armenia.
    He said Armenia was doing its best to prove the world that namely they are the indigenous people of the Caucasus with other nations being aliens who have borrowed the "words of Armenian origin."
    "Now the modern technologies have allowed our scientists to present the truth to the world. Armenia even claims that the Georgian khachapuri belongs to the Armenian cuisine. It is enough to study the Armenian and Georgian dictionaries to see the reality," Akhundov added.
    Akhundov said Azerbaijan is preparing to present the new technology even to UNSECO.
    Armenia has recently appealed to the UNESCO in an effort to present Lavash as a typical example of its cuisine. However, the UNSECO passed a resolution to acknowledge it as a common heritage of several regional countries, after reconsidering the issue based on Azerbaijan's appeal.
    Revealing the original root of Lavash, Kamran Imanov, Director of Azerbaijan’s Copyright Agency, said the word lavash comes from the word “ash" that means to cook and etymologically belongs to Turkic world.
    The Azerbaijani literature contains basic information about Lavash by the greatest poets and writers, including Nizami Ganjavi, Mehseti Ganjavi and Xagani Shirvani.

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  • Vrej1915
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    Լրտեսական սկանդալներ Հայաստանում

    ՀԱԿՈԲ ԲԱԴԱԼՅԱՆ, Մեկնաբան
    Հասարակություն - 25 Դեկտեմբերի 2014,

    Ցեղասպանության 100-րդ տարելիցին ընդառաջ Հայաստանում «լրտեսական կրքեր» են թեժանում: Ամեն ինչ սկսվեց Ջեմալ Փաշայի թոռան հայաստանյան այցով եւ ունեցած ելույթներով: Այն մեծ աղմուկ առաջացրեց Հայաստանում՝ այն հայտարարությունների պատճառով, որ նա արել էր ցեղասպանության հրամանատարներից մեկը եղած իր պապին սպանած հայ վրիժառուների հասցեին: Ջեմալ Փաշայի թոռը մի քանի այլ հայտարարություններ էր արել, որոնք արդարացիորեն առաջացրել էին հայաստանյան հանրության վրդովմունքը:

    Դրանից հետո թուրքագետ Ռուբեն Մելքոնյանը հայտարարել էր, նշելով նաեւ մի քանի կազմակերպությունների անուններ, որ Հայաստանում կան թուրքական քարոզչության գործակալներ, որոնք նպաստում են հայերի ցեղասպանության ժխտման հարցում, համաշխարհային կարծիքը մոլորեցնելու հարցում Թուրքիայի պաշտոնական քաղաքականությանը, որն առավել աշխուժանում է ցեղասպանության 100-րդ տարելիցին ընդառաջ:

    Գրեթե նույն բանը դեկտեմբերի 25-ի ասուլիսում հայտարարել է ցեղասպանության թանգարան-ինստիտուտի ղեկավար, ցեղասպանության 100-րդ տարելիցի միջոցառումների պետական հանձնաժողովի քարտուղար Հայկ Դեմոյանը, ասելով, որ Հայաստանում կան թուրքական քարոզչությունը սպասարկող գործիչներ:
    Փաստորեն արդեն երկու անգամ հրապարակավ հնչել է բավական կոնկրետ մեղադրանք այն մասին, որ Հայաստանում կան Թուրքիայի ուղղակի կամ անուղղակի պատվերով գործող կազմակերպություններ ու անհատներ: Այդ հայտարարությունները թերեւս բավարար կոնկրետություն են ունեցել, որպեսզի դրանցով հետաքրքրվեր ԱԱԾ-ն եւ պարզաբանում ակնկալեր դրանց հեղինակներից:

    Ընդհանրապես, «լրտեսական կրքեր» բորբոքվում են անելանելիության պարագայում: Անգամ բառի բուն իմաստով լրտեսական կրքերի դեպքում: Երբ պետությունները որեւէ լրտեսի են բացահայտում, ապա նախ երեւի թե փորձում են նրան օգտագործել արդեն իրենց շահի համար եւ միայն դրա անհնարինության դեպքում են բարձրաձայնում բացահայտումն ու արտաքսում կամ դատական պատասխանատվության ենթարկում:

    Հայ-թուրքական հարաբերության խնդիրը «լրտեսական կրքերի» դաշտ տեղափոխելը բխում է հենց թուրքական քարոզչության շահից: Փաստացի ստացվում է, որ Հայաստանն ասելիք եւ անելիք չունենալու պարագայում ստիպված ձեռնամուխ է լինում գործակալների, պատվեր կատարողների բացահայտման: Դա թուլության դրսեւորում է:

    Ուժեղն ունենում է իր «պատվերը»: Եվ այդ իմաստով կարեւոր է, թե իսկ ի՞նչ պատվեր ունի հայ-թուրքական հարցում Հայաստանը: Պահանջատիրությունն ինքնին հասկանալի է, դա պատվեր չէ, դա յուրօրինակ իմպերատիվ է, որ չէր արող չլինել: Իսկ այդ խնդրի իրավա-քաղաքական եւ տեղեկատվա-քարոզչական արդիական սպասարկման հարցում Հայաստանն ի՞նչ «պատվեր» ունի աշխարհին, Հայաստանի հասարակությանը, Թուրքիայի հասարակությանը:

    Թուրքական քարոզչության պատվերի համատեքստում մեղադրական մթնոլորտի ձեւավորումը չի փոխարինի հայկական «պատվերի» բացակայությունը: Միգուցե ներքին հանրային էֆեկտը լցնի վակուումը, բայց արտաքին ազդեցության առումով չի կարող հանդիսանալ լցնող կամ փոխարինող: Ընդ որում, հայկական «պատվերը» չպետք է լինի լոկ կլոր տարելիցի շրջանակում: Հայկական «պատվերի» հրամայականն ավելի մեծ է եւ ներառում է նաեւ աշխարհքաղաքական ներկայիս իրողությունները, Թուրքիա-Արեւուտք անվստահության եւ Ռուսաստան-Թուրքիա ռազմավարական գործընկերության աճերը, գլոբալ զարգացումները:

    Աշխարհը փոխվում է, եւ հայ-թուրքական հարաբերության հարցում հայկական մոտեցումների փոփոխությունը, նոր մոտեցումների ձեւակերպումը հրամայական է, պետականության կենսունակության հրամայական: Այդ հարցում համարժեքության առայժմ թերեւս եզակի օրինակ ցուցաբերել է Կիլիկիո Արամ Առաջին կաթողիկոսը, որը Երեւանում Հայաստան-Սփյուռք համաժողովի շրջանակում հայտարարեց Թուրքիայի դեմ դատական պահանջ ներկայացնելու մասին՝ Սիսի կաթողիկոսարանն ու հարակից այլ տարածքներ Կիլիկիո կաթողիկոսարանին վերադարձնելու հայցով, հայտարարելով, թե կգնա մինչեւ մարդու իրավունքի Եվրոպական դատարան:

    Թվում է, որ հայկական օրակարգը պետք է որսար պահը եւ ձեւակերպեր «պատվերը», գոնե այդ մասով: Բայց առայժմ Հայաստանում կարծես թե այլ «որս» է հասունանում:

    - See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/soc....hbgsftVx.dpuf

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