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    What Game Theory Can Tell Us About a Possible Armenian-Azerbaijani Conflict

    AUGUST 18, 2010NICHOLAS CLAYTON


    Nicholas Clayton


    The four-year-old International School of Economics at Tbilisi State University (ISET) in Tbilisi, Georgia was founded to unite students and faculty from all three South Caucasus countries for a Western-style education in economics. And, as if undergoing a rite of passage in its growth as an institution, it underwent its first major academic controversy this year.


    Students were agitated, donors threatened to withdraw funding and an ambassador warned of unilateral sanctions.

    What caused all the fuss? — A master’s thesis that used game theory to create a model for the probability of war between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

    Ani Harutyunyan, 23, originally of Vanadzor, Armenia, set out last November to create a model that could determine the probability of all-out war breaking out between the two countries over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh based on a variety of factors.

    Now, mind you, creating a game theory model is not the same as predicting whether war will happen or not – it’s not a magic eight ball.

    Basically it works like this: say you are hungry and the two main factors governing your action are price of the food and deliciousness of the food. You have three options to choose from:

    1.) Don’t eat. You save your money, but you don’t resolve the problem.

    2.) Throw something together at home. You expend very little money, but, although your bachelor-pad-borne concoction is filling, it’s hardly gourmet.

    3.) Go out to eat. You’ll have to pony up some dough, but you’ll get some good food out of it.

    And so, if you make a formula out of those choices and input subjective number values for your culinary pickiness and current level of poverty, one can compute which action you are most likely to take.

    Harutyunyan’s thesis created the formula for the major factors that would play into what Azerbaijan would demand as a settlement in the peace negotiations and what Armenia would be willing to accept, with renewed war being the probable result of a total deadlock; but she did not input her own subjective numbers to find a result. As Harutyunyan put it, “unlike journalists, scientists never make conclusions explicitly” (like I did earlier this month).

    Nonetheless, her model and the thesis’ conclusions are quite interesting.

    The basis of the model puts the Defender (Armenia) at the negotiating table with the Challenger (Azerbaijan). Because Armenia currently holds the territory that Azerbaijan wants, it is more or less satisfied with the status quo and is less likely to make a deal in which it sacrifices territory unless it believes it is facing a war it this it will lose.

    Azerbaijan wants the territory, but in assessing the war option it must decide if the costs of fighting the war are worth the benefits of potentially regaining control of Nagorno-Karabakh and other territories currently held by Armenia. The more Armenia believes Azerbaijan, which is more powerful militarily, is willing to go to war, the more amenable it will be towards cutting a deal.

    The X-factor is the potential for third-party intervention as both Armenia and Azerbaijan have much larger allies in the region – Russia and Turkey respectively. The mood of each nation towards intervention on a scale of “reluctant” to “motivated” then factors into each side’s stance.

    However, the most important factor in the formula — as in most wars — is information. The study found that “there is no risk of war when disputants are perfectly informed about each other’s costs, the distribution of power, utilities for different outcomes.”

    “However,” the paper continues, “states are rarely informed about each other completely.”

    The paper also presupposes logical thinking on both sides, as well as the audience, which may have been a stretch.

    As Harutyunyan presented her thesis this May to a mixed audience of Georgians, Armenians and Azeris in Tbilisi, she got heckles and interruptions – mostly from Azeri students objecting to a map used in the presentation which showed Nagorno-Karabakh and other Armenian-held territories shaded a different color from Azerbaijan. Some students shot video with their cell phones, although the university was filming the presentation as well.

    When it came time for group discussion the room was silent. The shouting would start a few days later.

    Karine Torosyan, a professor of economics at ISET, said that some students complained to school advisors and within days the university received a letter from the embassy of Azerbaijan in Georgia demanding Harutyunyan rewrite her thesis on a different topic or Azerbaijan would take steps to prevent Azeri students from attending ISET and would impede the school’s activities in the country.

    Furthermore, the school, which is supported by British Petroleum, the World Bank and various other organizations and governments, began receiving calls from donors expressing concern over the thesis, intimating that future grants and donations hung in the balance.

    Torosyan said the university held a series of meetings with concerned embassy officials, who said they believed in freedom of speech, but wanted the university to guard against “uncivilized discourse.”

    ISET didn’t budge.


    In the end, the university agreed to set up a faculty academic integrity committee to deal with future controversies but accepted the thesis and awarded Harutyunyan her master’s degree.

    Torosyan said the university has not faced any consequences thus far from the Azerbaijani government or independent donors, but the fact that such a risk remained was “very embarrassing” for academia in the region.

    In some ways, the reaction to Harutyunyan’s thesis tells nearly as much about the potential for resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict as the thesis itself.

    But Harutyunyan, for her part, said she reflects unfazed by the controversy that could have cost her her MA.

    “Come on, it was funny for me all that,” she said. “What can I think? You wrote something, you are open for discussion, you want to reveal things, but then you are told to shut up.”

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      Armenian children forbidden to pray in Surb Khach church (video)

      August 20, 2010 | 11:58

      The Turkish authorities are getting ready to the September 19 reopening of Surb Khach church on Akhtamar Island presenting it as a gesture of goodwill.

      Simultaneously, Turkish policemen do not allow the Armenian children to pray in the church.

      A group of Armenian children, the winners of Hay Aspet (Armenian knight) TV contest retuned from Turkey being upset and offended. Turkish policemen did not allow them to pray in Surb Khach church.

      Talking to NEWS.am, founder and presenter of Hay Aspet show Karin Tonoyan said that they were forbidden to light candles.

      “When we were in Surb Khach we wanted to light candles but policeman said that it is forbidden, as “it is a museum and the walls will be stained.” I told children to stand in the center not to stain walls. Children started singing and praying, but suddenly a policeman came and told us to leave the church,” Karin Tonoyan said.

      She also noted that children left the church and continued singing in front of it, adding that the actions of Turkish policeman were offensive to them.

      The Turkish policemen also did not allow to burn incense at the khachkars and gravestones near Surb Khach church.

      “Children tried to burn incense near one of the khachkars but a Turkish policeman came up and stepped on it,” Tonoyan said.

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        Iranian Tried For Espionage Collapses In Armenian Court

        August 20, 2010
        YEREVAN -- An Iranian citizen being tried in Armenia on charges of spying for Azerbaijan collapsed in court in Yerevan on August 19 while delivering his defense speech, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

        Behnam Bagheri's Armenian defense attorney, Inesa Petrossian, told RFE/RL that during the closed-door hearing her client grew very nervous after the prosecution attempted to interfere with his testimony. She said he eventually fainted "with symptoms of a heart attack."

        "He had prepared a speech in Persian," she said. "When he began to read it out, the prosecutor unreasonably began to meddle in that process, and Bagheri lost himself. He tore the sheets of paper with his speech into pieces and tried to leave in protest. When he was turned away he was in a very difficult condition, about to lose consciousness."

        Petrossian said Bagheri was taken to a hospital in Yerevan and remained unconscious as of the evening of August 19. She said his family in Iran has been notified and is coming to Yerevan.

        Bagheri, 30, was arrested by Armenia's National Security Service (NSS) late last year on charges of spying for Azerbaijan.

        The prosecutor is demanding an 11-year prison sentence for Bagheri.

        Armenian officials say that in September 2009 Bagheri received a video from retired Armenian Lieutenant Colonel Gevorg Hayrapetian that contained "anti Armenian propaganda that could be used to discredit Armenia's international prestige."

        The disc was found when Bagheri was crossing the Armenian border into Iran.

        Hayrapetian, who fought in the Nagorno-Karabakh War, is charged with high treason and faces up to 13 years in prison. Both Bagheri and Hayrapetian deny the charges.

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        This is just ridiculous, I understand there is no death sentence anymore, but just a mere 11 years? Everyone, whatever the nationality, should get a life sentence for spying on our country!

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          Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
          Iranian Tried For Espionage Collapses In Armenian Court

          August 20, 2010
          YEREVAN -- An Iranian citizen being tried in Armenia on charges of spying for Azerbaijan collapsed in court in Yerevan on August 19 while delivering his defense speech, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

          Behnam Bagheri's Armenian defense attorney, Inesa Petrossian, told RFE/RL that during the closed-door hearing her client grew very nervous after the prosecution attempted to interfere with his testimony. She said he eventually fainted "with symptoms of a heart attack."

          "He had prepared a speech in Persian," she said. "When he began to read it out, the prosecutor unreasonably began to meddle in that process, and Bagheri lost himself. He tore the sheets of paper with his speech into pieces and tried to leave in protest. When he was turned away he was in a very difficult condition, about to lose consciousness."

          Petrossian said Bagheri was taken to a hospital in Yerevan and remained unconscious as of the evening of August 19. She said his family in Iran has been notified and is coming to Yerevan.

          Bagheri, 30, was arrested by Armenia's National Security Service (NSS) late last year on charges of spying for Azerbaijan.

          The prosecutor is demanding an 11-year prison sentence for Bagheri.

          Armenian officials say that in September 2009 Bagheri received a video from retired Armenian Lieutenant Colonel Gevorg Hayrapetian that contained "anti Armenian propaganda that could be used to discredit Armenia's international prestige."

          The disc was found when Bagheri was crossing the Armenian border into Iran.

          Hayrapetian, who fought in the Nagorno-Karabakh War, is charged with high treason and faces up to 13 years in prison. Both Bagheri and Hayrapetian deny the charges.

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          This is just ridiculous, I understand there is no death sentence anymore, but just a mere 11 years? Everyone, whatever the nationality, should get a life sentence for spying on our country!
          Do you believe that any of them will leave their jail cells? They will be taken care of once they are behind bars.

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            Georgia not intent to sell any gas pipelines

            Georgia is not intent to sell North-South gas pipeline that carries Russian gas to Armenia via Georgia, Georgia’s Energy Minister Alexander Khetaguri said, according to Business Georgia.

            Earlier Azerbaijani State Oil Company (SOCAR) said that Azerbaijan is ready to buy the sector of the gas pipeline that crosses the Georgian territory. The head of the SOCAR Rovnag Abdullaev said Azerbaijani is interested in buying Georgia’s oil and gas pipelines.

            Upon the resolution adopted by the Georgian government this year, the part of Russia-Armenia pipeline crossing through Georgia is not subject to privatization.
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              If the Georgians went ahead with the sale of the pipeline to Azerbaijan that would be no less than an act of war against Armenia knowing that it would be used as a choke hold on Armenia.

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                Les tricolores arméniens au stade de Dortmund
                lors du match entre le « Borussia » Dortmund et le club azéri de « Karabagh F.C. »

                samedi21 août 2010, par Krikor Amirzayan/armenews


                Jeudi au stade de Dortmund pour les Azéris du « Qarabag F.C » la rencontre comptant pour les barrages aller de l’Europa League face au « Borussia » Dortmund a viré très vite au cauchemar. La première surprise pour les footballeurs Azéris était leur incapacité à faire jeu égal avec les Allemands. Surpassés dans toutes les actions de jeu, le « Karabagh F.C. » a encaissé 4 buts en moins de 45 minutes. Les Allemands, satisfaits des 4 buts inscrits en première mi-temps ayant baissé la pression dans la deuxième partie de jeu, la rencontre s’est terminée par la victoire écrasante du « Borussia » Dortmund sur le score de 4-0. Mais une toute autre surprise désagréable pour les Azéris était de voir quelques drapeaux arméniens brandis par des supporters d’origine arménienne qui avaient investi le stade de Dortmund.

                Les images de la télévision allemande ont donné un sacré coup au moral des téléspectateurs azéris ! Humiliation supplémentaire, le commentateur Allemand appelait à maintes reprises le club au nom « Aghdam » au lieu de « Qarabag » ! Sale soirée allemande pour le chauvinisme azéri qui a pris quelques coups durs au moral.

                Krikor Amirzayan

                L' Armenian National Committee et l'université de Berkeley dans le cadre d'un programme d'études arméniennes ont fait un...

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                • Re: Armenia and the information war

                  Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
                  Les tricolores arméniens au stade de Dortmund
                  lors du match entre le « Borussia » Dortmund et le club azéri de « Karabagh F.C. »

                  samedi21 août 2010, par Krikor Amirzayan/armenews


                  Jeudi au stade de Dortmund pour les Azéris du « Qarabag F.C » la rencontre comptant pour les barrages aller de l’Europa League face au « Borussia » Dortmund a viré très vite au cauchemar. La première surprise pour les footballeurs Azéris était leur incapacité à faire jeu égal avec les Allemands. Surpassés dans toutes les actions de jeu, le « Karabagh F.C. » a encaissé 4 buts en moins de 45 minutes. Les Allemands, satisfaits des 4 buts inscrits en première mi-temps ayant baissé la pression dans la deuxième partie de jeu, la rencontre s’est terminée par la victoire écrasante du « Borussia » Dortmund sur le score de 4-0. Mais une toute autre surprise désagréable pour les Azéris était de voir quelques drapeaux arméniens brandis par des supporters d’origine arménienne qui avaient investi le stade de Dortmund.

                  Les images de la télévision allemande ont donné un sacré coup au moral des téléspectateurs azéris ! Humiliation supplémentaire, le commentateur Allemand appelait à maintes reprises le club au nom « Aghdam » au lieu de « Qarabag » ! Sale soirée allemande pour le chauvinisme azéri qui a pris quelques coups durs au moral.

                  Krikor Amirzayan

                  http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?id_article=63430
                  Merci!

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                    In recent years, Armenian Americans have filed several lawsuits in U.S. courts against insurance companies, banks, and the Republic of Turkey, seeking compensation for losses stemming from the genocide of 1915. For the first time, [...]



                    Complaint against Azerbaijan in European Court Could Have Grave Consequences

                    In recent years, Armenian-Americans have filed several lawsuits in U.S. courts against insurance companies, banks, and the Republic of Turkey, seeking compensation for losses stemming from the Genocide of 1915.

                    For the first time, on September 15, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) will hold a hearing on a complaint filed by an Armenian family against the Republic of Azerbaijan for damages suffered during the Karabagh (Artsakh) conflict. Remarkably, the ECHR will consider on the same day a similar complaint brought by several Azeris against the Republic of Armenia (Chiragov and others vs. Armenia).

                    Minas Sargsyan, a former resident of Gulistan in the Shahumyan region, north of Artsakh, filed a complaint on August 11, 2006, regarding the destruction of his house and eviction from his property. Sargsyan stated in his complaint that someone else, presumably an Azeri, is now living in his house. Although Sargsyan passed away a year ago, his widow and two children are continuing to pursue the case. Due to a backlog, the ECHR normally takes several years before it hears a case. The Sargsyan family is represented before the Court by attorneys Narine Gasparyan and Knarik Ohanyan of Yerevan (members of the Legal Guide NGO), and well known human rights lawyer Prof. Philip Leach representing the European Human Rights Advocacy Center in London.

                    The Shahumyan region is situated on the northern border of the former Nagorno-Karabagh Autonomous Oblast, as it was known in Soviet times. More than 80% of Shahumyan was inhabited by Armenians prior to the Artsakh conflict. In June 1992, when the Azerbaijani forces bombed Gulistan, Sargsyans’ two-storey house was destroyed. As a result, the entire population of the village fled fearing for their lives, according to the “Statement of Facts,” summarized by the ECHR.

                    Sargsyan’s complaint is based on the following claims:

                    1. The destruction of his house and eviction from his property constituted “a violation of his right to peaceful enjoyment of his possessions.”

                    2. Infringement on his right to a private and family life and to his home because of his forced displacement and Azerbaijan’s continuing refusal to allow him access to his home and belongings.

                    3. In view of the demolition or vandalism of several Armenian cemeteries in Azerbaijan, Sargsyan stated that he was unaware of the condition of the cemetery of his close relatives and that he was deprived of the possibility of visiting their graves, which he had done regularly in the past. The mere fact of knowing that the graves of his relatives were under the risk of being destroyed caused Sargsyan severe suffering and distress. The inability to visit the cemetery deprived him of spiritual communication with his deceased relatives, as visiting and maintaining his relatives’ graves was a religious duty that he fulfilled before his eviction.

                    4. There are no effective remedies available to ethnic Armenians who were forced to leave their homes in Azerbaijan. Armenians who had sought to lodge complaints with relevant Azerbaijani authorities were unable to obtain any redress for the violation of their rights. Due to the unresolved status of the Artsakh conflict, there were practical difficulties and obstacles for gaining direct access to any remedies available in Azerbaijan.

                    5. Sargsyan complained that he had been subjected to discrimination in Azerbaijan, based on his ethnic and religious affiliation. He submitted that only ethnic Armenians living in Azerbaijan had been targets of violence, pogroms, and attacks. The Government of Azerbaijan failed to investigate violence against Armenians and to provide redress for the illegal occupation of their properties and the destruction of Armenian cemeteries.

                    This is the first Armenian complaint lodged with the ECHR for violations of property rights, among others, by the Republic of Azerbaijan. If successful, it will set an important precedent for claims by hundreds of thousands of Armenians who were forced to abandon their properties in Baku and other parts of Azerbaijan. Similarly, the Chiragov complaint lodged against Armenia could open the door for demands by hundreds of thousands of Azeris who left their homes during the Artsakh conflict. In contrast to the Armenian case, however, most Azeris left at their own free will and sold their properties prior to their departure.

                    It cannot be a mere coincidence that the Armenian and Azeri complaints are set to be heard by the Grand Chamber of the ECHR on the same day. If the Court finds a violation of property rights in these two cases, and orders monetary compensation to the applicants, this would likely lead to many similar cases being filed in the future, which could have far-reaching consequences for the economies of Armenia and Azerbaijan, amounting to billions of dollars. Alternatively, the Court could mandate that both countries allow their respective citizens to return to their former homes, which could create new upheavals and security risks in the region. As members of the Council of Europe, Armenia and Azerbaijan are obligated to comply with the decision of the Court.

                    Both hearings could be followed live on September 15, on the Court’s website: www.echr.coe.int/echr. The Azeri complaint will be broadcast at 9:15 a.m., while the Armenian one is set for 2:30 p.m. (French time).
                    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                      Scientific center of Armenian studies to be established at Baku State University

                      Azerbaijan, Baku, August 24 /Trend, T.Hajiyev/

                      A scientific center of Armenian studies will start functioning at the Baku State University in the coming days, head of the University's press and information department Parvana Ibrahimova told Trend on August 24.

                      "The center will study the historical and contemporary problems on the "Armenian issue" and inform the public of Azerbaijan on public-political processes taking place in Armenia. The center will study the ideological and subversive activities of the Armenian state and the diaspora directed against Azerbaijan and the Turkic world. Also, the center will conduct activities to combat such activities of Armenians," said Ibrahimova.

                      According to Ibrahimova, establishing such a center will fill certain emptiness available in Azerbaijani society. "The essence of the "Armenian issue" raised abroad and inside country will be investigated in detail and also the activities of missionaries from Western countries in certain historical periods will be studied. West's interests in Anatolia and the South Caucasus, its plans for "Greater Armenia" and implementation of these plans through the historic lands of Azerbaijan will be scientifically analyzed and studied. The character of the Armenian terrorism will be disclosed, and a chronology of crimes committed by the Armenians will be compiled," said Ibrahimova.

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