Armenia and the information war

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenia and the information war

You wouldn't have such a big mouth if you knew how you come off in this forum.

Anyway, as one forum member, I think you come off as a horses'-ass.

Turkish Kitties need lovin too, so I suggest you go easy on him, he's just special..

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Azerbaijan Withdraws Draft UN Resolution on Karabakh



UNITED NATIONS (Combined Sources)—Azerbaijan has reportedly withdrawn Thursday a draft resolution on Nagorno-Karabakh from the United Nations General Assembly agenda as the international body kicked off its 65th session, reported Panorama.am.
The draft resolution aimed to uphold Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity and called for the return of so-called Azeri refugees to the liberated territories surrounding the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.
By introducing this resolution, Azerbaijan aimed to divert the peace process from its current OSCE Minsk Group to the UN, a move that has been opposed by international powers engaged in the process. After a cool reception from the international community, Azerbaijan aimed to promote its efforts within Muslim countries, aiming to secure support across religious lines.
The biggest blow to Azerbaijan’s latest efforts to derail the peace talks came last week, when a non-governmental group known as European Friends of Armenia announced that the co-chairing countries of the OSCE Minsk Group—France, Russia, the US—would oppose the resolution and urged all European Union member states to join the three powers in opposing it.
“The Azerbaijani draft resolution to be discussed at the UN General Assembly on Thursday 9 September is expected to be voted against by the three Co-Chairs of the Minsk Group, France, Russia and the USA,” EuFoA said in a statement last week. “But according to EuFoA’s sources, a common response by all EU countries is not yet clear, despite the longstanding and clear EU support for the Minsk Group.”
“The UN is not the right level to discuss this question because there is only one international mandate to resolve this issue and it lies with the OSCE Minsk Group,” the EuFoA secretary general, Michael Kambeck, told RFE/RL’s Armenian service last week.
“This process has been going on for a long time,” he told RFE/RL. “It is very delicate, it is full of specific sensitivities, and the OSCE Minsk Group is doing a good job. I think we should first let them finish their job.”
“If Azerbaijan really thinks that this has come to a total end, then they should stop the negotiations and cancel everything. But they are not doing that,” Kambeck told RFE/RL.
EuFoA statement warned that by capitalizing on Muslim support for its cause Azerbaijan risks adding a “religious component” to the Karabakh conflict. “This conflict has never been about religion, about Islam versus Christianity,” argued Kambeck. “This is an ethnic conflict, and if now we start adding a religious component to it, it will become even more difficult to resolve the whole conflict.”
Kambeck said the draft resolution is “dangerous” also because it overlooks other principles of international law that are at the heart of the mediators’ existing peace proposals. “This resolution is very single-sided,” he said. “You basically have only two options, as an international body. You either rewrite it completely, or you reject it, if you want to make it a balanced text.”
EuFoA was set up in early 2009 by European parliamentarians and intellectuals to promote Armenia’s integration into European political and economic structures.
Earlier this month, President Serzh Sarkisian warned that the adoption of such a resolution would be a “serious error” on Azerbaijan’s part. Armenia’s foreign ministry also warned that the resolution would “seriously damage” the peace process.
In 2008, Azerbaijan made a similar move at the UN General Assembly. The move, once again, was opposed by the co-chairing countries and was supported by Azerbaijan’s mainly Muslim allies.

http://asbarez.com/85047/azerbaijan-withdraws-draft-un-resolution-on-karabakh/

[UrMistake]

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Official Tbilisi denies reports suggesting possibility of forming Georgia-Azerbaijan confederation
September 10, 2010 - 18:07 AMT 13:07 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The Georgian foreign minister Grigol Vashadze denied reports suggesting a possibility of forming a Georgia-Azerbaijan confederation.

"We should carefully listen to the president," said Grigol Vashadze, "He said relationship between Georgia and Azerbaijan goes beyond the strategic relations and looks like relations between countries in a single confederation."

This would be great next war we will have Poti Batumi and border with Russia omg its like dream coming true.....
"It does not mean that we will create a single legislative body and constitution. We are only talking about the close and coordinated work of Georgia and Azerbaijan," the local InterPressNews service quoted the minister as saying.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili first floated the idea in mid-July when Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev visited Batumi of Georgia.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Official Tbilisi denies reports suggesting possibility of forming Georgia-Azerbaijan confederation
September 10, 2010 - 18:07 AMT 13:07 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The Georgian foreign minister Grigol Vashadze denied reports suggesting a possibility of forming a Georgia-Azerbaijan confederation.

"We should carefully listen to the president," said Grigol Vashadze, "He said relationship between Georgia and Azerbaijan goes beyond the strategic relations and looks like relations between countries in a single confederation."

This would be great next war we will have Poti Batumi and border with Russia omg its like dream coming true.....
"It does not mean that we will create a single legislative body and constitution. We are only talking about the close and coordinated work of Georgia and Azerbaijan," the local InterPressNews service quoted the minister as saying.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili first floated the idea in mid-July when Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev visited Batumi of Georgia.

I hope they do this. the likes of Saakashvili will be the end of Georgia. But this would be a good opertunity for us to claim Javakh and have a russian border.
Would Georgia make it that easy for us?

[Federate]

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A new hazing video, allegedly taking place within members of the Armenian army, has gone viral on the web that shows the abuse of two men in military uniforms. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOTt2znYS1c An Armenian blogger wrote about it and here are his thoughts.
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More bullying allegations in Armenian Army. UPDATED


Posted on September 11, 2010 by Observer

Screen grab from a YouTube video showing Armenian army bullying which was swiftly taken down as soon as it became viral on Armenian social networks, 12Sep2010

A controversial video, entitled “The real face of the Army”, which showed an unidentified male humiliating two young boys dressed in military uniforms, was swiftly taken down from YouTube as soon as it became viral.

“No description for the video is provided, and it’s not known when and where this video was taken,” Unzipped wrote in his blog, posting the video. ”What is depicted in this video is simply disgusting,” the blogger continued, citing recent cases of “suicides” and non combat deaths in the Armenian army.

The video was put into circulation in a time, when Armenian Army has just recovered from loud scandals after deadly shootings which claimed more than half a dozen lives in several bullying, harassment and army violence incidents. It also came at a time of intensified clashes between the Armenian and Azerbaijani armed forces.

This led some Armenian bloggers to argue, that the video is anti-Armenian propaganda disseminated by Azeri special services, some also claimed it is not the Armenian army at all.

Before the video was taken down I was able to check and see, that the viral one, which generated the most buzz, was uploaded by Slaq.am, a very new online news resource, which is registered by a unknown Armenian company. This doesn’t mean it was the original uploader of the video, but anyway.

The video was re-uploaded again by other YouTube users and will most certainly be reappearing despite attempts to silence it.

One of the recent uploaders, aramanoogian, had this to say about it: ”Do people and organizations in the Diaspora care enough to raise the issue of abuse and mismanagement in the army with the representatives of the regime in Yerevan? Would they demand the sadistic officer shown in the video to be court marshaled for humiliating those young… Armenian soldiers? After all, considering that this is happening on a very wide scale across country, this is as close to jeopardizing national security as you are ever going to get. Wake up, people! Tomorrow it might be too late.”

Even if conspiracy theories cannot be excluded altogether, I’m more inclined to think, that this was a genuine video. It’s not a secret, that Armenian Military, like the armies of most other ex-Soviet countries, including rival Azerbaijan, has been plagued with bullying and other abuses resulting in at least a dozen non-combat deaths each year ever since their establishment in 1992.

The Armenian military insists that it is doing its best to address the problem in earnest. It says the number of such incidents has steadily and significantly declined since the late 1990s.

Senior and mid-ranking army officers have rarely been prosecuted in connection with those crimes. Those who are put on trial usually get off with short prison sentences.

PS: It was a hard decision for me to write about this video, and I initially chose to keep silent, even though I’d seen it early on Saturday. It seemed unreliable: because it came at a least convenient time for the Armenian army and because it really was unclear who, where and when are pictured in it. However, as the video got viral, I took it as an indicator, that further discussions are necessary on the state of the Armenian Army, and I’m convinced, that raising these issues will help strengthen the army and not the opposite.

http://ditord.com/2010/09/11/more-bullying-allegations-in-armenian-army/

[Mukuch]

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Yeah, figured. Why would any self-respecting armenian live there anyway (much less turkey) LOL

Try ot go to live there (in Turkey) and still be Armenian... if you have balls ofcours.... in end of the day it is our land we must go to live there sooner or later

[arakeretzig]

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Try ot go to live there (in Turkey) and still be Armenian... if you have balls ofcours.... in end of the day it is our land we must go to live there sooner or later

Eastern anatolia is a wasteland right now, it's one of the most impovrished part of turkey, only Tsolakert(what they call Igdir now), is florishing because of agriculture. I wouldn't want to live there even if you gave me a billion dollars, unless it gets liberated. And to be frank, I'm glad armenians don't live there today, noone wants to live under turkish rule, not even kurds , when it gets liberated someday, then maybe armenians go back...

[Federate]

Re: Armenia and the information war

A new hazing video, allegedly taking place within members of the Armenian army, has gone viral on the web that shows the abuse of two men in military uniforms. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOTt2znYS1c An Armenian blogger wrote about it and here are his thoughts.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
More bullying allegations in Armenian Army. UPDATED


Posted on September 11, 2010 by Observer

Screen grab from a YouTube video showing Armenian army bullying which was swiftly taken down as soon as it became viral on Armenian social networks, 12Sep2010

A controversial video, entitled “The real face of the Army”, which showed an unidentified male humiliating two young boys dressed in military uniforms, was swiftly taken down from YouTube as soon as it became viral.

“No description for the video is provided, and it’s not known when and where this video was taken,” Unzipped wrote in his blog, posting the video. ”What is depicted in this video is simply disgusting,” the blogger continued, citing recent cases of “suicides” and non combat deaths in the Armenian army.

The video was put into circulation in a time, when Armenian Army has just recovered from loud scandals after deadly shootings which claimed more than half a dozen lives in several bullying, harassment and army violence incidents. It also came at a time of intensified clashes between the Armenian and Azerbaijani armed forces.

This led some Armenian bloggers to argue, that the video is anti-Armenian propaganda disseminated by Azeri special services, some also claimed it is not the Armenian army at all.

Before the video was taken down I was able to check and see, that the viral one, which generated the most buzz, was uploaded by Slaq.am, a very new online news resource, which is registered by a unknown Armenian company. This doesn’t mean it was the original uploader of the video, but anyway.

The video was re-uploaded again by other YouTube users and will most certainly be reappearing despite attempts to silence it.

One of the recent uploaders, aramanoogian, had this to say about it: ”Do people and organizations in the Diaspora care enough to raise the issue of abuse and mismanagement in the army with the representatives of the regime in Yerevan? Would they demand the sadistic officer shown in the video to be court marshaled for humiliating those young… Armenian soldiers? After all, considering that this is happening on a very wide scale across country, this is as close to jeopardizing national security as you are ever going to get. Wake up, people! Tomorrow it might be too late.”

Even if conspiracy theories cannot be excluded altogether, I’m more inclined to think, that this was a genuine video. It’s not a secret, that Armenian Military, like the armies of most other ex-Soviet countries, including rival Azerbaijan, has been plagued with bullying and other abuses resulting in at least a dozen non-combat deaths each year ever since their establishment in 1992.

The Armenian military insists that it is doing its best to address the problem in earnest. It says the number of such incidents has steadily and significantly declined since the late 1990s.

Senior and mid-ranking army officers have rarely been prosecuted in connection with those crimes. Those who are put on trial usually get off with short prison sentences.

PS: It was a hard decision for me to write about this video, and I initially chose to keep silent, even though I’d seen it early on Saturday. It seemed unreliable: because it came at a least convenient time for the Armenian army and because it really was unclear who, where and when are pictured in it. However, as the video got viral, I took it as an indicator, that further discussions are necessary on the state of the Armenian Army, and I’m convinced, that raising these issues will help strengthen the army and not the opposite.

http://ditord.com/2010/09/11/more-bu...armenian-army/

Armenian Defence Ministry condemns dissemination of Army bullying video

Yerevan, On September 11th a video has been released on YouTube network, which shows how young people dressed in Armenian Army uniforms are being humiliated, beaten and oppressed.

The low quality of the video material does not allow to recognize faces or hear Armenian speech, however, as the young people shown in the video are dressed in military uniforms, the video has been met with great frustration by public.

RA Defense Ministry strictly condemns preparation and premeditated dissemination of materials like this one, which aim to discredit and compromise the Armenian Armed Forces.

RA Defense Ministry has taken corresponding steps to verify the authenticity of the video, identify the people shown in the video, disclose the authors, punish those who have been using violence in the video.

Non-official translation of official Defense Ministry statement by http://www.ditord.com, original in Armenian http://www.a1plus.am/am/official/2010/09/12/pn

http://ditord.com/2010/09/11/more-bullying-allegations-in-armenian-army/#comment-15508

[Runner]

new army abuse video cover up?

What is this thing now that has been circulating on the internet? Allegedly some officer beats 2 soldiers and twists their ears...

[Federate]

Re: new army abuse video cover up?

What is this thing now that has been circulating on the internet? Allegedly some officer beats 2 soldiers and twists their ears...

Merged your thread onto here, check the post above you.