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  • Re: Armenia and the information war

    Above article was stating that Karabakh was not a part of 1918-1920 Azerbaijan Republic, while it was.
    Last edited by Qaradag; 01-28-2011, 11:17 AM.

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    • Re: Armenia and the information war

      Originally posted by Qaradag View Post
      Who cares about that?

      Above article was stating that Karabakh was not a part of 1918-1920 Azerbaijan Republic, while it was.
      No, it wasn't. You pulled a map out of your ass (synonym of the Azerbaijani government). Even incompetent PACE sees this.
      Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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      • Re: Armenia and the information war

        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        No, it wasn't. You pulled a map out of your ass (synonym of the Azerbaijani government). Even incompetent PACE sees this.
        The declaration was signed by deputies from dozens of world states – Armenia, France, Greece, Hungary, Switzerland, Sweden, San Marino, and others.


        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • Re: Armenia and the information war

          how can you guys reject his retarded claim when he showed a very "legitimate" map. i mean its not like Armenia has countless maps where Artsakh is part of Armenia.



          its a shame our map wasnt made by a little kid as well.


          azerbaijan has disputes with everyone: Armenia, Georgia, Iran, Dagestan.

          also those lands have always been disputed between both countries and the azeris just put those land when they tried to declare independence.
          As for the position of the international
          community regarding this issue, the Azerbaijani
          Republic of 1918-1920 was never recognized by
          the international community, and by the League
          of Nations, in particular. The League not only
          refused to officially recognize the Azerbaijani
          Republic, but also its application for
          membership. At its fourth meeting on December
          1, 1920, the fifth Committee elected by the
          Assembly of the League of Nations, having
          examined the request for admission of the
          Republic of Azerbaijan, arrived at the
          following conclusion:
          A. Within the content of Article 1 of the
          Covenant of the League of Nations Azerbaijan can not be regarded as de jure a "full selfgoverning
          State", as it had not been recognized
          de jure by any member of the League of
          Nations. Moreover, it was stated that the
          territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan,
          "occupying a superficial area of 40,000 square
          miles, appears to have never formerly
          constituted a State, but has always been included
          in larger groups such as the Mongol or Persian
          and since 1813, the Russian Empire. The name
          Azerbaijan which has been chosen for the new
          Republic is also that of neighboring Persian
          province". Furthermore, the ability of the
          government of Azerbaijan was questioned as to
          whether it could undertake international
          obligations and give guarantees required by
          membership (3) (Annex2).
          B. "...it is difficult to ascertain the exact
          limits of the territory within which the
          Government of Azerbaijan exercises its
          authority. Owing to the disputes with
          neighboring States concerning its frontiers, it is
          not possible to determine precisely the present
          frontiers of Azerbaijan. The provisions of the
          Covenant did not allow the admission of
          Azerbaijan to the League of Nations under
          present circumstances(4)" (Annex 3).
          Last edited by ninetoyadome; 01-28-2011, 11:40 AM.

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          • Re: Armenia and the information war

            Azerbaijani hackers cracked Armenian website


            January 28, 2011 | 23:28
            New Armenian website Garabagh.org on Persian language was cracked by Azerbaijani hackers, Iranian Araks newspaper reported.

            Most likely hackers disliked content of the website telling fair history of Nagorno-Karabakh Liberation War, the Armenian Genocide in Sumgait and Baku, as well as events in Khojalu.

            The website representatives say it will soon be available again.

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            • Re: Armenia and the information war

              C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 04 BAKU 000134

              SIPDIS

              E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/24/2020
              TAGS: PREL PHUM MARR ETRD AJ AM RS IR TU
              SUBJECT: AZERBAIJANI PRESIDENT TO U/S BURNS: "YOU CAN'T
              BOIL TWO HEADS IN ONE POT"

              Classified By: Charge Donald Lu, for reasons 1.4 (b,d).


              ¶1. (C) Summary: President Aliyev used this coarse street
              slang to describe the relationship between Russian President
              Medvedev and PM Putin, but he might well have used the same
              idiom to describe his concerns about Turkey-Armenia
              reconciliation and the Nagorno-Karabakh (NK) Peace Process.
              He told U/S Burns that the "Sword of Damocles" of the April
              24 Armenian Remembrance Day is hanging over the NK Process,
              as well as the Turkey-Armenia normalization process. He
              suggested that it would be easier if the Turkey-Armenia
              normalization could be considered after April in order to
              allow more time for progress on NK. He also took the
              opportunity to press the USG to apply maximum pressure on
              Yerevan to make concessions on NK. He stressed, "Now we are
              trying to be even more flexible."

              ¶2. (C) Summary Continued: On Iran, President Aliyev said he
              supported economic isolation and believed it could be
              effective if enforced by a broad coalition. He complained
              about Iranian security provocations. On a proposed
              battalion-sized Afghanistan contribution, Aliyev said that he
              would support sending a team to Georgia to observe the
              training being provided by EUCOM to Georgian troops headed
              for Afghanistan. On energy cooperation, President Aliyev
              said that if the Turks demonstrate "constructive behavior"
              this year that a gas transit deal can happen. Finally, on
              the jailed youth activists, though he made no firm
              commitments regarding their release, he said, "I think (a
              pardon or amnesty) can be done. I had no intention to hurt
              anyone." End Summary.

              Seeks Pressure on Yerevan to Resolve NK
              ---------------------------------------

              ¶3. (C) Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Bill
              Burns began his hour-long meeting with President Ilham Aliyev
              by stressing that he was sent with the simple message that
              Washington wants to build our bilateral relations and create
              a stronger partnership. He then offered his condolences for
              the three Azeri soldiers killed on the Line of Contact on
              February 18. Aliyev responded that such events show that
              there is no peace, no peace treaty and no peacekeepers
              enforcing the cease-fire. He worried more such incidents
              could happen. Burns commented that such incidents
              underscored the urgency of finding a political solution on
              Nagorno-Karabakh.

              ¶4. (C) The balance of Aliyev,s comments sought to convey
              that he was ready to move forward in the Minsk Group Process,
              but that international pressure would be needed if Armenia
              was to move forward. He said that it is now time to find a
              final resolution, but Armenian President Sargsian wants to
              walk away from the process. "I told the co-chairs that
              Armenia wants to delay as long as possible and escape at the
              end."" He said that Azerbaijan was prepared to do its part
              to propel the talks forward. "Now we will try to be even
              more flexible."

              ¶5. (C) Aliyev outlined several steps to persuade Armenia to
              agree to the Minsk Group Basic Principles:

              -- the three co-chair countries should consolidate their
              efforts at a senior-level,

              -- (C) the three co-chair countries should send a strong
              message that the independence of NK is not under review, and

              -- (C) if these new proposals are not accepted, there should
              be consequences in terms of international isolation,
              especially in the form of Russia,s curtailing some of its
              economic support for Armenia.

              ¶6. (C) Aliyev noted that at Sochi, President Sargsian had
              inserted a proposal for specifying a definite date for a
              referendum or plebiscite on NK final status. This, Aliyev
              argued, undermined the entire framework of the agreement,
              which is premised on an eventual referendum ) with no
              definite timeframe ) in exchange for legalizing "the
              illegally established regime in NK."" He also noted that
              Armenia is vulnerable to isolation because it is dependent
              upon remittances from its diaspora, as well as imports of gas
              and electricity. "After 18 years of negotiation, we have
              tested all options. If this phase (of Minsk Group talks)
              ends, what is next?" the President asked aloud.

              The Russian Role in NK and Russian Succession

              BAKU 00000134 002 OF 004


              ---------------------------------------------

              ¶7. (C) In response to U/S Burns' question about the Russian
              role in the NK talks, Aliyev responded that he was convinced
              that Medvedev's efforts have been sincere. He said that
              Medvedev has personally met with the Azerbaijani and Armenian
              presidents five times. Thus any failure to make progress on
              this issue will damage Medvedev's credibility. He said that
              at Sochi, Medvedev tried to persuade Sargsian to achieve a
              breakthrough. He added, however, that it was strange that
              with so much pressure from Moscow and Lavrov's visit to
              Yeveran, the Armenians not only resisted progress, but
              actually backtracked on previously-agreed items. In response
              to a question, Aliyev said that he believes that PM Putin has
              his own separate opinion about the desirability of an NK
              resolution. "I have no evidence, but I can feel this,"
              Aliyev remarked.

              ¶8. (C) Aliyev said that he considers Medvedev "a modern,
              new-generation intellectual," surrounded by people whom he
              does not control. He said that he has personally witnessed
              Medvedev taking decisions that then required further approval
              before they were implemented, referring specifically to a
              border demarcation agreement that he had agreed with Medvedev
              only to have it stymied by ""others,"" presumably in the
              prime ministerial office. He added, "Many high-ranking
              officials don't recognize (Medvedev) as a leader." He said
              that there are signs of a strong confrontation between the
              teams of the two men, although not yet between Putin and
              Medvedev personally. "We have a saying in Azeri, 'Two heads
              cannot be boiled in one pot'" (crude street slang suggesting
              that two leaders are spoiling for a fight).

              Strong Pushback on the Turkey-Armenia Normalization
              --------------------------------------------- -------

              ¶9. (C) U/S Burns stressed that the U.S. believes that
              progress on the Turkey-Armenia protocols could create
              political space for Sargsian to be more flexible on NK. He
              continued that the reverse was also true, that a failure of
              the Turkey-Armenia process would almost certainly result in
              serious negative consequences for the NK process. Aliyev
              said that NK progress would require a minimum of five or six
              months. He suggested that the entire Turkey-Armenia protocol
              ratification process be delayed until after April 24. He
              said that the "Sword of Damocles" of Armenian Remembrance Day
              is hanging unhelpfully not only over the Turkey-Armenia
              process, but also now the NK progress. "If there were no
              deadline, maybe we could see how to combine our efforts (to
              resolve NK)."

              ¶10. (C) Aliyev pushed back with his usual warnings about the
              negative effects of Turkey-Armenia protocol ratification
              without being proceeded by NK progress. He darkly predicted
              postponement of any NK settlement; no comprehensive regional
              security improvement; damage to Turkey-Azerbaijani relations;
              no real partnership between Turkey and Armenia; further
              isolation of Central Asia; the undermining of energy
              projects; and damage to Georgia, both in lost transit income,
              but also in its role as the sole land corridor between Russia
              and Armenia.


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              • Re: Armenia and the information war

                Sargsian to be more flexible on NK
                Like Abu Mazen?

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                • Re: Armenia and the information war

                  Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
                  how can you guys reject his retarded claim when he showed a very "legitimate" map. i mean its not like Armenia has countless maps where Artsakh is part of Armenia.
                  Even if we go to ancient times, Karabakh was part of Alban state, not Armenian. But no need to go that far back, lets go to times that has really a relevance. Karabakh Khanate for exampele. And I think it is a fact that Karabakh was a part of 1918-1920 Azerbaijan Republic.

                  Even if you go to middle-ages, the territority was under rule of several Azerbaijani Turkic dynasties.
                  Last edited by Qaradag; 01-29-2011, 08:24 AM.

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                  • Re: Armenia and the information war

                    Originally posted by Qaradag View Post
                    Even if we go to ancient times, Karabakh was part of Alban state, not Armenian. But no need to go that far back, lets go to times that has really a relevance. Karabakh Khanate for exampele. And I think it is a fact that Karabakh was a part of 1918-1920 Azerbaijan Republic.

                    Even if you go to middle-ages, the territority was under rule of several Azerbaijani Turkic dynasties.
                    If you go back that far why not go back an other thousand years and see that the majority of the people living there has been Armenians living there and for the most part been a part of the Armenian kingdoms, even your precious Albania was ruled by Armenians one time or the other. How can you even make a connection between Albanians and Turkic Azeris (tartars) that are living there now?

                    Even in the 18th century when Russia moved first in the Caucasus the majority of the people living there were Armenians. So what are you talking about the majority of the people ruled that they don't want to be part of Azerbaijan, you have no legal reason to get a single inch of land back. And you don't have the power to take it.

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                    • Re: Armenia and the information war

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                      Even in the 18th century when Russia moved first in the Caucasus the majority of the people living there were Armenians.
                      Even Russian census from 1900 states that majority of Yerevan consisted of Azerbaijani Turks. What are you talking about?
                      Last edited by Qaradag; 01-29-2011, 08:40 AM.

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