Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

It's just so obvious that some of these images have been photoshopped (by an amateur).
Take the fourth image for example, aside from the fact that on the row third from last (start right when the small yellow flowers end) on can clearly see the Armenian letters M T A, some of the letters appear to have depth while others look like they've been drawn with black chalk.

On the third image, the area under the star looks like has been cleaned up and the star copied and pasted from another image. There are a few other cases where one wonders if the image has been played around with.

Aside from these inconsistencies, how's one to know that's not a cemetery in Azerbaijan?

We know its not a cemetery in azerbaijan because the azeris have said its from aghdam and we all know how reliable azeri news is.

[ninetoyadome]

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THE PROCESS OF SELF-IDENTIFICATION OF THE AZERBAIJANI PEOPLE...

HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED Grabbling and falsification of historical facts and realities on the part of Azerbaijan have become so an ordinary phenomenon in its foreign and internal policy, that it is no longer surprising. This policy is conducted practically with the advent of the past century of this artificially created state. Recently, the historian and archaeologist, the Head of the Department of History of Artsakh State University Vardges SAFARYAN defended his thesis on "Ancient and medieval culture of Artsakh in Azerbaijani historical science," which sheds light on this phenomenon. Here is an interview of the correspondent of “AA” with him about these and other pressing questions.

- Mr. Safaryan, how much is spread the falsification of history, and all alien nations resort to such actions?

- Examples of falsification of history are numerous. And I must say that, as you have said, not only “alien nation” sin by this.

Falsifiers are everywhere where there is no scientific integrity, in which historical facts are replaced by pseudo-scientific conclusions in favor of political and spread-eagle ambitions. As to nations, who found themselves far from their historical homeland for any of several reasons, nevertheless coming out in the role of nation-hegemon, then almost all of them at some stage-in the period of the awakening of national consciousness-look for and “find” their ancestors in the newly acquired land, appropriating entire cultural heritage of nation- aborigine.

- Archaeological science has been seriously engaged in our land only recently. Nevertheless, on basis of available archaeological materials to what conclusion do some historians come relative to the antiquity of our land and to our Armenian generality?

- It is necessary to note that the interest in the ancient heritage was observed in 19th century. At the root of researches of Artsakh are Khachik Archimandrite Dadyan, E. Rössler, A. Ivanovski, S. Ter-Avetisyan, J. Hummel, K. Kushnaryov, and others. It was shown precisely in their studies that the territory of Artsakh was entered into the area of ancient cultures of the region. They dogged out tumulus in the valley of the rivers Karkar and Khachen, in the suburbs of Stepanakert where they found items related to the periods of eneolita, early, middle and late Bronze Age, Early Iron Age. It is gratifying to note that the archaeological researches were intensified in the NKR during the past decade. Moreover, we have an opportunity to explore the historical heritage of our people directly in the field, access to which was forbidden under the conditions of "the triumph of Leninist national policy and friendship among peoples". Investigations of recent years both as in the territory of the former autonomous region and in the historical lands of Artsakh, liberated during the imposed war, once more prove that the Armenian people is the only nation, who is a creator and the owner of all historical cultural monuments, discovered in our land. The monuments can be exemplified, investigated in Karvachar (Novoshaumyan) region, in Shushi and in the region of Shushi and, of course, the discovery and excavations of Tigranakert.

- In spite of the obvious youth of Azerbaijan Republic, it pretends to the antiquity. To what kind means does official Baku resort for the satisfaction of its ambitions?

- After 1936, when the Turks of Azerbaijan became officially known as "Azerbaijanis", before the historians of that Republic a task was set in order to prove autochthony of the Azerbaijani people, to prove that they were the native inhabitants of the land, and at the same time to clear Armenian heritage from this territory. Just then was arisen the question about the need " scientifically to base” their presence in this territory. But as the historical niche was occupied, appropriation of the cultural heritage of the local population – Armenians was begun. It should be noted that in the Soviet period, Azerbaijani historians put forward a number of completely opposing theories of origin of the Azerbaijani people: a theory that relates the ancestors of Azerbaijanis with the mussels, the Albanian theory, and theory of Turkization of Aboriginal territory.

Throughout the existence of the Soviet State in Azerbaijan, a program of appropriation of the cultural heritage of Artsakh and other areas of historical Armenia were being realized at the governmental level, which were under the newly formed Republic. It is significant, that if prior to the beginning of the 70's the presence of Christian monuments was ignored in the territory of Karabakh, then the Azerbaijani historians switched on to the award of the Armenian historical heritage. For this purpose, in particular, the cultural heritage of the Armenians of Karabakh first was arrogated to the Afghans and through the Afghans to the Azerbaijanis. Everything was done in order to extrude Armenian cultural-historical heritage beyond Transcaucasia's limits. At the time being beyond Azerbaijani’s researches conception the monuments were destroyed or were hidden, and on the basis of “researched” monuments groundless conclusions were done. In the post-Soviet Azerbaijan, the researchers turned to the more active falsification of historical realities, saying that Armenians appeared in Transcaucasia in the early 19th century, while the Azeris are the aborigines and direct descendants of cultural values.

- Is pseudo scientific character of these different theories an obvious fact?

- As you know, the term "Azerbaijani people" was first voiced by the Declaration on the establishment of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in May 1918. However, by it was understood the entire population of Azerbaijan, whereas for its Turkish part was used term “Azerbaijan Turks”. In connection with this it is remarkable, that even in 1920-1930 Azerbaijani researchers, actually, did not know people with the name of “Azerbaijanian”. A famous explorer V. Shnirelman spoke quite rightly on this occasion stressing that the simultaneous existence of several conflicting with each other theories of origin of the Azerbaijani people speaks about the fact that the consolidation of the Azerbaijani people has not been completed yet.

However, in the contemporary Azerbaijan historiography the tendency again has been advanced, whose supporters deny the process of Turkization of the land, declaring that the Turkic ethnic group originally lived in the territory of present-day Azerbaijan, northern Iran and Armenia, which, of course, is absurd. The most compelling evidence of the artificiality applied theories by the Azerbaijani scientists is the fact that simultaneously with the attempts of appropriation of the cultural heritage of the Armenians of Artsakh goes an active process of the destruction of the heritage of Armenian people. As a proof can be served the destruction of cross-stones and Christian monuments of Jugha, Karvachar, Fizuli, Zangelan, Jebrail etc.

-How much do the Armenian scientists succeed in exposing the obvious falsification of the Azerbaijani historians?

-Individual works of the Azerbaijani historians obtained appropriate estimation even in the Soviet time in the articles of the chief Armenian and Russian researchers. Thus, questions of political borders of Caucasian Albania and Armenia, as well as administrative and political affiliation between the rivers Kura and Araks, repeatedly raised by the Azerbaijani historians, were thoroughly considered and obtained appropriate estimation in the works of Novoseltseva, A. Hakobyan, P. Muradyan, B. Ulubabyana and others. The problems of the ethnic composition of the population of Caucasian Albania, Utik, Artsakh and Syunik are considered in the works of Anasyan, G. Arakelyan, A. Mnatsakanyan, A. Papazyan, and others. Attempts of the Azerbaijani historians to albanize political and cultural figures of the northeastern provinces of Armenia were suppressed by the works of K. Melik-Ohanjanian, Em. Pivazyan, A. Mnatsakanian, and others. In response to the attempts to seize and to appropriate historical and architectural monuments of Artsakh, in 1970-1990-ies the works of Armenian and Russian scientists appeared, in which was based the absurdity of a similar kind of tendencies. The scientific conference "Problems of the history and culture of Caucasian Albania" played an important role, held in summer 1988.

Strategy of fight with falsification and appropriation of the cultural heritage of Artsakh is in active opposition by the Azerbaijani historians. Having in mind the exceptional value of archaeological material in a question of determination of the ethno-cultural identity, it is important for us to activate archaeological researches on the territory of the NKR and on the liberated territories of historic Artsakh at this stage and the results of the researches to present on international conferences, monographs, in articles and at exhibitions, actively to promote the historical and cultural realities of the historical Artsakh through the publication of popular brochures, leaflets in various languages, highlighting the cultural heritage of Artsakh.

Emma Balayan

http://www.armtown.com/news/en/aza/20091116/2984/

[bell-the-cat]

It's just so obvious that some of these images have been photoshopped (by an amateur).
Take the fourth image for example, aside from the fact that on the row third from last (start right when the small yellow flowers end) on can clearly see the Armenian letters M T A, some of the letters appear to have depth while others look like they've been drawn with black chalk.

On the third image, the area under the star looks like has been cleaned up and the star copied and pasted from another image. There are a few other cases where one wonders if the image has been played around with.

Aside from these inconsistencies, how's one to know that's not a cemetery in Azerbaijan?

It's just so obvious that the above has either never used photoshop or perhaps thinks he can out-Azeri the Azeris by writing equally silly things. Beyond selective viewpoints, there is nothing suspicious in those photos and no indications of any post-manipulation.

This is hilarious... they are claiming Armenians destroyed their cemetary, and as "proof" they have a bunch of photos of standing tombstones. Has Day.az hired comedy writers?

NO, they have hired PR agents. Strange thing is that they have wasted their money - they have overestimated their enemy!

You people don't even realise what event this press-release is connected to, and why it is intended to be a pre-emptive strike. 11 years ago this month the Azeris started to destroy the Julfa graveyard. 4 years ago next month they entirely destroyed it. And the poodle head of UNESCO who helped surpress investigations of it is no longer in office. The Azeris, being of at least moderate intelligence, would be assuming that Armenians would be making something of an event of that sad anniversary, perhaps doing their own press-releases to mark the event. That is what most nations would be doing, if it had occured to one of their cultural treasures.

We know its not a cemetery in azerbaijan because the azeris have said its from aghdam and we all know how reliable azeri news is.

And if Armenians had any common-sense in PR matters, they would invite Azeris over to maintain the graveyard - a graveyard which actually seems in remarkably good condition after some 16 years of abandonement.

[Federate]

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NO, they have hired PR agents. Strange thing is that they have wasted their money - they have overestimated their enemy!

You people don't even realise what event this press-release is connected to, and why it is intended to be a pre-emptive strike. 11 years ago this month the Azeris started to destroy the Julfa graveyard. 4 years ago next month they entirely destroyed it. And the poodle head of UNESCO who helped surpress investigations of it is no longer in office. The Azeris, being of at least moderate intelligence, would be assuming that Armenians would be making something of an event of that sad anniversary, perhaps doing their own press-releases to mark the event. That is what most nations would be doing, if it had occured to one of their cultural treasures.

And if Armenians had any common-sense in PR matters, they would invite Azeris over to maintain the graveyard - a graveyard which actually seems in remarkably good condition after some 16 years of abandonement.

Well said bell. Armenians have FAILED time and time again in the information and propaganda war against dim-witted Azeris and it is rather pathetic. Where was the incompetent Armenian government when they were destroying our khachkars? Why did we not go to UNESCO, to the UN, to the CoE and to every organization that would be willing to hear about it and make them pay for their crimes? Almost 6 years have passed and we have yet to do anything about it. I mean, this is similar to the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan that were dinamited by the Taliban.

The Turks and Azeris jump up and down, chattering on every stage they can about the alleged destruction of this or that while all Armenians do is do what they do best: remain silent with no counter-attack. Therein lies the purpose of this thread, to expose the propaganda that is spread against Armenians and Armenia to the average reader.

I also find your suggestion of having an Azeri guard the cemetary as an interesting one. It could be good and bad at the same time because the Azeris would now be declaring that Armenians know that these lands are Azeri and they are starting to hand it back to them to which Armenia would have no response for - it would be like saying "here, we know all of this is yours so guard it while we find a solution to the conflict."

[ninetoyadome]

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Today.Az ğ Politics ğ Destruction of cemetery testifies to Armenia's barbaric approach to values in Azerbaijan's occupied territories: Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry

17 November 2009 [16:03] - Today.Az



“Destruction of Azerbaijan’s cemeteries testifies to a barbaric approach by invaders to spiritual and material values in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan,” Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry Elkhan Polukhov said.

Garaji cemetery in Azerbaijan’s Agdam region is currently being destroyed by Armenians.

“Armenia has repeatedly carried out barbaric actions against the monuments of cultural history, as well as religious monuments located both on the territory of Armenia and occupied Azerbaijani territories,” he said.

“We have circulated abundant evidence about it in all international organizations through our missions abroad,” Polukhov said.

The new evidence once again testifies to a barbaric approach by invaders to spiritual and material values in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan, he added.

Day.Az

URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/57547.html

Armenia has to do something about this. bullxxxx

[Federate]

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Various titles from articles published today by Today.az
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Azerbaijani scouts demonstrate superiority over Armenian children: Azerbaijan Association of Scouts Chairman

http://www.today.az/news/society/57553.html

The question is whether Turkey will implement agreement with future free or current Nazi Armenia: political expert

http://www.today.az/news/politics/57546.html

Armenians spread false information in Romanian society: Azerbaijan-Romania Culture and Youth Association head

http://www.today.az/news/society/57531.html

[ArmSurvival]

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You people don't even realise what event this press-release is connected to, and why it is intended to be a pre-emptive strike. 11 years ago this month the Azeris started to destroy the Julfa graveyard. 4 years ago next month they entirely destroyed it. And the poodle head of UNESCO who helped surpress investigations of it is no longer in office. The Azeris, being of at least moderate intelligence, would be assuming that Armenians would be making something of an event of that sad anniversary, perhaps doing their own press-releases to mark the event. That is what most nations would be doing, if it had occured to one of their cultural treasures.

I know they are essentially doing it to counter the destruction of the Julfa cemetary. And I agree with you-- We should have been shouting from the rooftops from day 1.

[Federate]

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Add her to the persona non grata list of Azerbaijan.
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Azerbaijani authorities recognize Turkish journalist persona non grata

17.11.2009 18:33 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Journalist of Turkish Akçam newspaper Nagehan Alçı was declared as persona non-grata by Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani MFA Official Representative Elhan Polukhov said.

According to him, those who visit Nagorno Karabakh without obtaining Azerbaijan’s consent are included in “persona non grata” list regardless professional activity. “That applies to both journalists and public organization representatives,” Polukhov said.

As reported by Azerbaijani General Consulate in Istanbul, Akçam editorial office said the journalist carried out a private visit to Karabakh by their recommendation. According to Azeri official, the issue of cooperating with newspaper would be reviewed, Trend News reports.

http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=39487

[ninetoyadome]

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Various titles from articles published today by Today.az
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Azerbaijani scouts demonstrate superiority over Armenian children: Azerbaijan Association of Scouts Chairman

http://www.today.az/news/society/57553.html

The question is whether Turkey will implement agreement with future free or current Nazi Armenia: political expert

http://www.today.az/news/politics/57546.html

Armenians spread false information in Romanian society: Azerbaijan-Romania Culture and Youth Association head

http://www.today.az/news/society/57531.html

i actually found these articles pretty funny
Its interesting how the websites slogan is "All news from azerbaijan" and yet there are more articles about Armenia than azerbaijan
Do these guys really love Armenians or what

I love how every other word is Armenia.
-So how is the human rights in azerbaijan?
Its good but lets not forget 20% of our land is under occupation by Armenia.
-How is azerbaijans soccer team doing?
They didnt qualify only because of the 1 million refugees due to Armenia's aggression.
-Hows the weather?
Cloudy just like the day Armenia began attacking us.

I dont know i just found it interesting how they kept talking about Armenia.

[Armanen]

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Well, when the country is run by one family and their friends, when the oil revenue goes to swiss bank accounts instead of a public fund, when the majority of azeris outside of baku are dirt poor, and when you have no true history there really is anything else the regime in baku can do to suppress the masses.