Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[bell-the-cat]

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Of course, the Turkic distortion is much more "historically factual." Who needs to use Armenian names with their Armenian pronunciations for Armenian historical places?

A typical Armenian response to avoid confronting your own ignorance. Nakhchivan is one of the oldest recognisable place-names in the world, it is mentioned in sources dating back to Roman times, it is mentioned in the writings of hundreds of travellers and merchants, and it was never spelt Nakhichevan until the 19th century.

[bell-the-cat]

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And this says nothing since you are not making your case about the word Karabakh. Can you be specific?

You blindly assume the word Karabakh comes from the modern Turkish "Kara" meaning "black", and the Persian "bakh" meaning "garden". Has it never entered your head to wonder why a region that is neither black or a garden should be named "Black Garden"? The name's actual etymological origin is believed to be from "Baghk", one of the medieval Armenian principalities in Artsakh. The Kara part is actually, Ghara, Turkic for "greater".

[Catharsis]

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I already told you that the strip is clearly shown as being within Russian territory in multiple maps, including those in "Armenia: A Historical Atlas
by Robert H. Hewsen" (http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/332284.html). You have no sources - thumbnail maps and Armenian fanatics and don't count as sources.

You have clearly NOT read what I wrote, or really have difficulty understanding. I provided contemporary maps from the 19th and early 20th century. You are citing a source that is from late 20th century and has left out the land transfer/9 km. stretch adjoining Nakhichevan with occupied Western Armenia.

Once again - the countless sources listed by Federate are works of scholars, most of whom are not Armenian. Many of the works are not even specifically devoted to Armenian or Turkish affairs but are general works on the whole region. Calling these people "fanatics" is really a stretch of imagination, no matter how twisted.

But I know nothing I say will make an Armenian discard his or her childish fantasies. You seem to love them like a masochist loves a painful rotting tooth - no amount of persuading and reasoning will make you get it pulled out!

You have to read what is noted above since the answer is the same and I would be repeating this already for at least the fifth time. I would suggest you stick to the facts, instead of painting these absurdist self-imagined 'descriptions' that have nothing to do with what we are discussing.

[bell-the-cat]

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You have clearly NOT read what I wrote, or really have difficulty understanding. I provided contemporary maps from the 19th and early 20th century. You are citing a source that is from late 20th century and has left out the land transfer/9 km. stretch adjoining Nakhichevan with occupied Western Armenia.

Once again - the countless sources listed by Federate are works of scholars, most of whom are not Armenian. Many of the works are not even specifically devoted to Armenian or Turkish affairs but are general works on the whole region. Calling these people "fanatics" is really a stretch of imagination, no matter how twisted.



You have to read what is noted above since the answer is the same and I would be repeating this already for at least the fifth time. I would suggest you stick to the facts, instead of painting these absurdist self-imagined 'descriptions' that have nothing to do with what we are discussing.

I suggest you read carefully what I wrote to AlphaPapa. Armenian history when written by Armenians is often not credible, every claim should be regarded with suspicion. Authors who cannot check the facts in their sources are just lazy writers, and a falsehood does not become true because it is repeated a lot, it just becomes a commonly-held myth. Using your reasoning, I guess the next time you read an Azeri lie, you will consider it to be the truth if you find that it has been repeated in some non-Azeri publications.

[Catharsis]

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You blindly assume the word Karabakh comes from the modern Turkish "Kara" meaning "black", and the Persian "bakh" meaning "garden". Has it never entered your head to wonder why a region that is neither black or a garden should be named "Black Garden"? The name's actual etymological origin is believed to be from "Baghk", one of the medieval Armenian principalities in Artsakh. The Kara part is actually, Ghara, Turkic for "greater".

Here are some historical facts that you should learn.

You completely fail in your argument since:

1. The historical name Artsakh is much, much older and clearly recorded in Classical Armenian works.

2. Even if the "Baghk" part is Armenian from the said province (which I doubt), the latter part is Turkic, so the argument is correct that it is much latter, Turkic derived name.

3. The name Karabakh appears in very late Medieval times and is never cited in ancient Armenian or early medieval records.

4. Artsakh as the ancient name of 'Karabakh' is recorded in cuneiform Vanic inscriptions (Ardax) and Classical Greek sources (Orxistene).

Unless, you can make as much valid points for the argument of the use of "Karabakh" as "Armenian" your assertions simply do not stand up to scrutiny.

You show yourself to be very arrogant (never a good thing) and assume too much by labeling people left and right. Another presumption was that I did not know this etymological explanation of yours (an outdated one also) or that I would still prefer the latter corrupted form of "Karabakh" even 'if' it is partially Turkic derived. Your argument, with this reasoning behind it, is very weak to be given any serious consideration.

[Catharsis]

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I suggest you read carefully what I wrote to AlphaPapa. Armenian history when written by Armenians is often not credible, every claim should be regarded with suspicion. Authors who cannot check the facts in their sources are just lazy writers, and a falsehood does not become true because it is repeated a lot, it just becomes a commonly-held myth.

In light of your "oriental" comment before, I do clearly see stereotypical racism here.

Using your reasoning, I guess the next time you read an Azeri lie, you will consider it to be the truth if you find that it has been repeated in some non-Azeri publications.

How many times should I repeat this? For the SIXTH TIME the authors that listed the land swap ARE NOT ARMENIAN. The maps that I showed WERE NOT DONE BY ARMENIANS. As a a matter of fact, YOU were the one, who has used a map made by an Armenian author in late 20th century. So you yourself come to DEFEAT your own racist argument.

[Army]

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The Kara part is actually, Ghara, Turkic for "greater".

Are you sure about Ghara? It does not look Turkish, also I've never heard that word.

[Catharsis]

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Are you sure about Ghara? It does not look Turkish, also I've never heard that word.

You have not heard it because it actually means black (kara or ghara - which is a variant) and not "greater."

[Armanen]

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Are you sure about Ghara? It does not look Turkish, also I've never heard that word.

Not only does bell think it knows Armenian history better than Armenians, but also turkish better than a native speaker of turkish.

[Muhaha]

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Some healthy cooperation between Armenia and the West.

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Armenia Attends NATO Meeting On Afghanistan

Slovakia -- US General Stanley McChrystal (R) with Afghan Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak at an informal meeting of NATO defense ministers in Bratislava, 23Oct2009

Armenia -- Soldiers of the Armenian armys special Peacekeeping Brigade, 2009

Armenia -- Troops practice a peacekeeping operation on August 13, 2009.

23.10.2009

Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian left for Slovakia’s capital Bratislava on Friday to attend a high-level NATO conference on Afghanistan, in a further indication that Armenia will commit troops for the NATO-led mission in the war-torn country.
Defense ministers from the North Atlantic alliance were meeting there to discuss the future of the multinational mission and, in particular, the new U.S. strategy of combating the Taliban insurgency.

The Armenian Defense Ministry said in a statement that Ohanian will meet NATO's Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen and his counterparts from several NATO member states on the sidelines of the gathering. The statement said nothing about the agenda of the talks.

A ministry official told RFE/RL that Ohanian will discuss in Bratislava details of the Armenian military deployment in Afghanistan. That includes the number and type of military personnel and time frames for their dispatch to the country, he said. “No decisions have been made as yet,” stressed the official.

The Armenian government and military and NATO representatives have been discussing the possibility of such deployment for the past two years and have yet to announce concrete agreements to that effect. Ohanian said in July that Yerevan will send troops Afghanistan “by the end of the year.” He said some Armenians who took part in the 1979-1989 Soviet military campaign in Afghanistan are now eager to “return there as part of the new force.”

Citing unnamed Armenian officials, the Associated Press reported at the time that the Armenian contingent will likely consist of munitions experts and communication officers and serve under German command. The Armenian military could also contribute a medical facility to the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) for Afghanistan.

In early 2007, the U.S. military donated a mobile field hospital to a special peace-keeping brigade of Armenia’s Armed Forces as part of its broader efforts to enhance their deployment capacity. Later that year, the brigade received nine tons of similar medical equipment from Germany, a major contributor to the NATO force in Afghanistan.

Despite having no soldiers in Afghanistan yet, Armenia is already officially listed by NATO as one of the 43 member and partner states making up ISAF. The force currently includes over 70,000 soldiers, about half of them American. Neighboring Turkey and Azerbaijan participate in the mission with 720 and 90 troops respectively.

The planned deployment in Afghanistan will underscore Armenia’s growing security ties with the West which the Yerevan government hopes will “complement” its military alliance with Russia. The Armenian military had a small non-combat contingent in Iraq until October 2008 and still keeps 70 servicemen stationed in Kosovo.

In August, the military held a one-week exercise near Yerevan aimed at testing and improving its ability to participate in international peacekeeping operations. The drills involved about 1,000 soldiers, most of them from the peace-keeping brigade.

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