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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Armenians 'unwilling' to live in Karabakh
    Tue 10 August 2010 | 07:56 GMT Text size:

    'People escape from Karabakh because no one wants to live there.

    People know that as soon as war starts, they will die first', said Armenian soldier Grant Markosyan who has passed to the Azerbaijani side.

    He said everyone knows that Armenians do not want to live in Karabakh.

    'If war starts, they all will run away. They have already started to escape. Most even shoot themselves. I have been serving for four months and heard much of this kind.

    Armenians say this land is not ours, they understand that they have occupied it but they want to keep it. They understand that this will never happen because this land is not ours and will never be it. In the end, they will understand that they will have to return these lands', he said.

    Markosyan also noted that the situation is poor in all military units of Armenia.

    'This is like that everywhere in Armenia. I had many friends who served in other units, I asked them, they told me that it is better to run away than to serve in Karabakh'.

    1 news.az



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    Armenian Defense Minister’s relative – deserter: We know that these territories are not ours

    [ 10 Aug 2010 12:17 ]
    Baku. Viktoria Dementieva – APA. Armenian Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan’s relative Ohan Harutunyan is among the Armenian soldiers, who crossed into the territory controlled by Azerbaijani Armed Forces in order to get rid of the tyranny in the Armenian army.

    APA managed to talk to Ohan Harutunyan, 19, who left the army together with Gevorg Tovmasyan and surrendered to Azerbaijan.

    Ohan and Gevorg said they had undergone violence and humiliation in the military unit in Nagorno Karabakh. Gevorg Tovmaysan said he had been humiliated by the commander, made to clean the toilet from the first day of the military service. Tovmasyan said he decided to flee and shared his decision with Ohan. Gevorg and Ohan said they had been received well in Azerbaijan and did not want to return to Armenia.
    “While crossing into the Azerbaijani side we thought our conditions would be better than in Armenia. We were received well in Azerbaijan. Our condition is good. We do not have problems with food. We are given everything we need. It is impossible to live in Armenia, there is hunger, unemployment there,” he said.

    Ohan Harutunyan says though he is Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan’s relative, he did not ask minister to help when he faced violence and ill-treatment.
    “When I faced the situation in the army, I understood that Ohanyan was not a good man and it would be useless to appeal to him,” he said.

    To APA’s question about the atmosphere in the Armenian Army Ohan says the Armenians serving in Nagorno Karabakh say they will flee if the war starts.
    “We know that these territories are not ours. Most Armenians realize that these territories do not belong to Armenia and they must be returned,” he said.

    Soldiers of Armenian Army – Harutunyan Ohan Vadinagiyevich, 19, Tovmasyan Gevorg Serjikovich, 19, crossed into the territory controlled by Azerbaijani Armed Forces on the line of contact in Goranboy region at 13.00, May 31, 2009.

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      Azeris are realy good to make those things, Karabakhs population is growing, from 135.000 in 2006 to almost 140.000 in 2009, Azeris scare from this, because if a war start 80% of this 140.000 people will fight against them.

      verry good, putting theyr words into Grant Markosyan mouth.

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        Հաղորդագրություն մամուլի համար
        Այսօր` օգոստոսի 10-ին, ադրբեջանական մի շարք լրատվամիջոցներ, մասնավորապես, APA, 1news.az, day.az կայքերը տեղեկություններ են հրապարակել Ադրբեջանում գտնվող հայ զինծառայողների հետ իբրև թե անցկացված հարցազրույցի վերաբերյալ և կայքերում տեղադրել վերջիններիս լուսանկարները:
        Ակնհայտ քարոզչական նպատակներով օգտագործելով այդ տեղեկությունները` ադրբեջանական կողմն այս քայլով հերթական անգամ կոպտորեն խախտել է Միջազգային մարդասիրական իրավունքի հանրաճանաչ նորմերը, մասնավորապես, 1949թ. օգոստոսի 12-ին Ժնևի երրորդ և չորրորդ կոնվենցիաների` համապատասխանաբար 13-րդ և 27-րդ հոդվածներում ամրագրված դրույթները, որոնք սահմանում են, որ «հովանավորվող կամ պահպանության տակ գտնվող անձինք պետք է մշտապես պաշտպանված լինեն հասարակության հետաքրքրասիրությունից»:

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Great pictures

          Nothing is better then seeing our heroes

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by ArmeniaR1 View Post
            Azeris are realy good to make those things, Karabakhs population is growing, from 135.000 in 2006 to almost 140.000 in 2009, Azeris scare from this, because if a war start 80% of this 140.000 people will fight against them.

            verry good, putting theyr words into Grant Markosyan mouth.
            I agree, besides there is not a chance such words could come from an Armenian.

            This is clearly a "response" from the Azeri mass media to the news spread about that Azeri captured boy who sent a letter to his parents, telling them that "Everything was OK" and to "Tell everyone things here [in Armenia] are not as everyone thinks". (link here). Such a blow to Azeri propaganda coming from one of their own was enough to let it go without any kind of "counter-attack"

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              made to clean the toilet from the first day of the military service. .
              where is the problem? when I was in the Foreign Legion, everyone cleaned, there is no shame

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                Armenia To Seek ‘Long-Range’ Weapons

                Armenia -- Surface-to-air missiles at a military base in Gyumri, undated
                10.08.2010
                Sargis Harutyunyan

                Armenia plans to acquire long-range precision-guided weapons and will be ready to use them in possible armed conflicts with hostile neighbors, Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian said on Tuesday.

                The announcement followed a meeting of an Armenian government commission on national security that tentatively approved two programs envisaging a modernization of the country’s Armed Forces. One of the documents deals with army weaponry, while the other details measures to develop the domestic defense industry.

                “These are extremely important programs,” Ohanian told journalists. “Their implementation will qualitatively improve the level of the Armed Forces in the short and medium terms.”

                “The two programs envisage both the acquisition of state-of-the-art weapons and their partial manufacturing by the local defense industry,” he said. “The main directions are the expansion of our long-range strike capacity and the introduction of extremely precise systems, which will allow us to minimize the enemy’s civilian casualties during conflicts.”

                Armenia -- Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian (R) and National Security Council Secretary Artur Baghdasarian chair a meeting of a government commission on defense, 10August 2010.

                “Their application will also allow us to thwart free enemy movements deep inside the entire theater of hostilities,” added the minister. He did not specify whether Yerevan will be seeking to have surface-to-surface missiles capable of hitting any target in Azerbaijan.

                The Armenian military is believed to be already equipped with short-range tactical missiles. But little is known about their type and technical characteristics. The army command gave a rare glimpse of such weaponry in September 2006 when it demonstrated new rockets with a firing range of up to 110 kilometers during a military parade in Yerevan.

                Ohanian did not deny that the modernization plan is connected with the persisting risk of another Armenian-Azerbaijani war for Nagorno-Karabakh. “You know what kind of a region we live in and how dependent we are during the escalation of conflicts,” he said. “We are therefore forced to do such work.”

                It was not immediately clear whether Yerevan’s desire to get hold of more powerful weapons is connected with a new Russian-Armenian military agreement expected to be signed soon. The agreement will reportedly take the form of significant changes in a 1995 treaty regulating the presence of a Russian military base in Armenia.

                Official Russian and Armenian sources have said that those changes would extend that presence and assign the base a greater role in ensuring Armenia’s security. A relevant Russian government document cited by the Interfax news agency late last month also makes clear that Moscow will commit itself to providing its South Caucasus ally with “modern and compatible weaponry and (special) military hardware.”

                Artur Baghdasarian, the secretary of Armenia’s National Security Council who chaired Tuesday’s meeting together with Ohanian, confirmed this last week. “There exist joint projects on this matter and we will be consistently implementing them,” he told the Regnum news agency.

                Earlier in July, Armenia and Russia announced plans to significantly step up cooperation between their defense industries after talks between their top security officials held in Yerevan. Baghdasarian reiterated on Tuesday the agreements reached during the “extremely important” talks envisage, among other things, the establishment of Russian-Armenian defense joint ventures.

                That was followed by Russian media reports that Moscow has agreed to sell sophisticated S-300 air-defense systems to Azerbaijan in a $300 million deal that could affect the balance of forces in the Karabakh conflict. Russian defense officials have made conflicting statements about the veracity of the information, adding to concerns expressed by Armenian pundits and politicians.

                Ohanian on Tuesday commented evasively on the possible S-300 sale. “I think that acquisition of any new weaponry will have a certain impact on the balance of forces [in the Karabakh conflict,] but want to remind that the S-300 systems are defensive systems,” he said. “At the same time, we can’t say we have information about their possible purchase [by Azerbaijan.]”
                Last edited by Tigranakert; 08-10-2010, 03:19 PM.

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                  To hit Baku we need rockets that have a range of approximately 250 km.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Two development programs of defense industry in Armenia, Seyran Ohanyan says
                    August 10, 2010 | 11:52

                    Presently there are two programs on the development of defense industry in Armenia, Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan stated at the August 10 sitting of the defense ministry board.

                    He noted that the programs should be submitted to the President by this September and implemented by 2015.

                    According to him, the programs are undergoing financial assessment. Presently the general staff is specifying the list of military equipment that is to be modernized or imported.

                    The Defense Minister also stated that preference should be given to military equipment produced in Armenia.
                    Last edited by KarotheGreat; 08-10-2010, 04:00 PM.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
                      Armenia To Seek ‘Long-Range’ Weapons



                      The Armenian military is believed to be already equipped with short-range tactical missiles. But little is known about their type and technical characteristics. The army command gave a rare glimpse of such weaponry in September 2006 when it demonstrated new rockets with a firing range of up to 110 kilometers during a military parade in Yerevan.

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                      I dont remember any weapon with a range of 110km... max 80km

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