Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Tigranakert]

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We are not ready to claim Nachichevan, or the whole of Artsakh (which is bigger than what we control now), but because Azerbaijan is so friendly, and we won the war, we are ready to give historic Armenian lands back!

DIPLOMATIC GENIUSES WE ARE INDEED!

Armenia ready to return territories around Nagorno-Karabakh



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Mar 23, 2010 16:21 Moscow Time
Nagorno-Karabakh. Photo: RIA Novosti
Armenia is ready to return the territories around Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan but on certain conditions, Armenia’s president Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview to Syria’s Al Watan newspaper. According to him, Yerevan should continue to control Nagorno-Karabakh and the corridor linking the region with Armenia. The conflict emerged in February 1988 when the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous District populated mainly by Armenians broke away from Azerbaijan. Baku responded by abolishing Karabakh’s autonomy. Azerbaijan lost control over the region and 7 surrounding territories in the armed conflict that followed. The status of the region is still undefined. Armenia insists on Karabakh’s independence and Azerbaijan on it being the part of the country. Since 1992, representatives of both governments have been holding peace talks mediated by the OSCE Minsk group also featuring Russia, the US and France.

[londontsi]

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We are not ready to claim Nachichevan, or the whole of Artsakh (which is bigger than what we control now), but because Azerbaijan is so friendly, and we won the war, we are ready to give historic Armenian lands back!

DIPLOMATIC GENIUSES WE ARE INDEED!

Armenia ready to return territories around Nagorno-Karabakh



Tag cloud: Nagorno-Karabakh, News, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Politics, World


Mar 23, 2010 16:21 Moscow Time
Nagorno-Karabakh. Photo: RIA Novosti
Armenia is ready to return the territories around Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan but on certain conditions, Armenia’s president Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview to Syria’s Al Watan newspaper. According to him, Yerevan should continue to control Nagorno-Karabakh and the corridor linking the region with Armenia. The conflict emerged in February 1988 when the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous District populated mainly by Armenians broke away from Azerbaijan. Baku responded by abolishing Karabakh’s autonomy. Azerbaijan lost control over the region and 7 surrounding territories in the armed conflict that followed. The status of the region is still undefined. Armenia insists on Karabakh’s independence and Azerbaijan on it being the part of the country. Since 1992, representatives of both governments have been holding peace talks mediated by the OSCE Minsk group also featuring Russia, the US and France.

Why did he not tell this to the Armenian media and Armenian people first?

[ArmeniaR]

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azeris can forget about this, we lost to many blood to give up free lands now... if they want it they must fight for it. but in that case the will lose more lands...

Armenia will never gife lands around karabakh back. you must realy be stupid to do that.
the teritory around Artshak is our advantage in a next war.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

We are not ready to claim Nachichevan, or the whole of Artsakh (which is bigger than what we control now), but because Azerbaijan is so friendly, and we won the war, we are ready to give historic Armenian lands back!

DIPLOMATIC GENIUSES WE ARE INDEED!

Armenia ready to return territories around Nagorno-Karabakh



Tag cloud: Nagorno-Karabakh, News, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Politics, World


Mar 23, 2010 16:21 Moscow Time
Nagorno-Karabakh. Photo: RIA Novosti
Armenia is ready to return the territories around Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan but on certain conditions, Armenia’s president Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview to Syria’s Al Watan newspaper. According to him, Yerevan should continue to control Nagorno-Karabakh and the corridor linking the region with Armenia. The conflict emerged in February 1988 when the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous District populated mainly by Armenians broke away from Azerbaijan. Baku responded by abolishing Karabakh’s autonomy. Azerbaijan lost control over the region and 7 surrounding territories in the armed conflict that followed. The status of the region is still undefined. Armenia insists on Karabakh’s independence and Azerbaijan on it being the part of the country. Since 1992, representatives of both governments have been holding peace talks mediated by the OSCE Minsk group also featuring Russia, the US and France.

I went and searched a couple of Armenian news sites and guess what non of them are talking about this not even A1+. So could be that this is something that is made up by Ria novisti? They aren't really a good news source to begin with to be honest.

[Mukuch]

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I went and searched a couple of Armenian news sites and guess what non of them are talking about this not even A1+. So could be that this is something that is made up by Ria novisti? They aren't really a good news source to begin with to be honest.

No, that is not made up. That what Serj declared after meeting with Basher Al Assad

[KarotheGreat]

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No, that is not made up. That what Serj declared after meeting with Basher Al Assad

Why isn't Armenian site reporting about it, especially the ones that are controlled by the opposition? Levon should be talking now how Serj is selling Artsakh.

And why hasn't the ARF reacted on this? The article is from yesterday 16.21. Doesn't that seem odd to you?
Or do you just want to bash the government and every thing I've written here won't make a difference.

This is what he said: When the people of Karabakh get a true chance to realise their right to self-determination and mechanisms for security and development are created, then in compromise the Armenian side can consider the return of the regions around Karabakh, preserving the corridor linking Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.

So funny that what he really said doesn't come close to what the news paper has written.

[ArmeniaR]

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This is an empty talk,Serj will never ever do something like that.

[Mukuch]

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This is an empty talk,Serj will never ever do something like that.

Well that is what Madrid principles are all about. What do you think is the object of negotiationes. It is Statuse against lands. Is that some thing new to you?

[Eddo211]

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We use those territories as barganing chips and political leverage for other concessions. Worst case we may give up a few of them out of the seven.

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Common Sense or “Defeatist Policy”?: President Sargsyan speaks about possible “return” of the “security zone” around Nagorno Karabakh

24.03.10 | 17:30



By Siranuysh Gevorgyan
ArmeniaNow reporter

Oppositional political forces in Armenia qualified President Serzh Sargsyan’s interview with Syrian ‘Al-Watan’ newspaper where he spoke about mutual concessions over the security zone around the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh, as an expression of “defeatist policy” and “inadmissible pliability”.

On Monday, March 22, President Sargsyan, who is in Syria on a working visit, said answering to ‘Al-Watan’’s question on mutual concessions in the Nagorno Karabakh issue settlement that, as opposed to Azerbaijan’s claims, the security zone around Nagorno-Karabakh is neither populated nor used.

“When the people of Nagorno Karabakh gets a real opportunity to implement its right to self-determination and when practical mechanisms of security and development are created, the return of these territories to Azerbaijan may be viewed as a concession from the Armenian side, of course in case the corridor (Lachin) linking Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh is kept,” Sargsyan said.

Political scientist Sergey Minasyan told ArmeniaNow that, in fact, this statement of the president has always been voiced during the negotiation phase. “Both former President Robert Kocharyan and current President Serzh Sargsyan always stated that the territories of the security zone will be talked about only after the status of Nagorno-Karabakh is determined. This statement of the president does not mean that he is ready to give the territories,” Minasyan says.

Whereas, Vladimir Karapetyan, foreign relations officer at the radical opposition Armenian National Congress (ANC) led by the first President of Armenia Levon Ter-Petrosyan, says that it is nothing else than “a desperate statement,” which is “a poor message to Azerbaijan and Turkey, proving that the pressures from both (Turkey and Azerbaijan) are effective.”

Larisa Alaverdyan, oppositional Heritage party faction member, believes that suchlike statements voiced by the Armenian side create a situation when Azerbaijan “feels obliged” to demand those territories back.

But, as Alaverdyan says, those lands do not belong to Azerbaijan simply because the current Azerbaijan considers itself to be the successor of the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan (1918-20) rather than of the Soviet Azerbaijan.

“And in 1918-1919, when Nagorno Karabakh appealed to the then international structure – the League of Nations (LON), saying that it does not want to be within the territory of Azerbaijan, LOL considered it to be a disputable territory. Besides, by refusing to be Soviet Azerbaijan’s successor, Azerbaijan lost the right to partial sovereignty towards the former Autonomous Region of Nagorno Karabakh,” concludes Alaverdyan.

http://armenianow.com/news/21852/serzh_sargsyan_syria_interview_nagorno_karabakh_armenia

[ashot24]

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Well that is what Madrid principles are all about. What do you think is the object of negotiationes. It is Statuse against lands. Is that some thing new to you?

The Armenian government has clearly revised and at some point rejected the current format of the Madrid principles and now we are leaving clear what our position is and what we are asking for from Azerbaijan, because it's already enough to hear what things they are asking from us. There's always the thing "The Armenian side must make concessions", but what about the Azerbaijani side making concessions?

Guys, let's not take this as we took the Armenian-Turkish protocols when they started, with total hysteria and with heated nerves.

Just look at what Serzh is saying:

“When the people of Nagorno Karabakh gets a real opportunity to implement its right to self-determination and when practical mechanisms of security and development are created, the return of these territories to Azerbaijan may be viewed as a concession from the Armenian side, of course in case the corridor (Lachin) linking Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh is kept”

Now, do you think Azerbaijan is going to agree to that? No! Azerbaijan will never agree to agree to give NK other status than is not that of an autonomous province of Azerbaijan (and I doubt that too), Azerbaijan wants ALL the territory to themselves, and expects us to agree to such nonsense...well Serzh has just proven such thing will never happen, if the Madrid principles proposed that, Mr. Sargsyan has not agreed to it. NK will stay under Armenian and Artsakhi control (+ Lachin corridor). What Serzh is doing is proving to the international media that Armenia is committed and in full accordance with the peace process and its obligations as an involved side.

But of course if we look at it from the opposition's point of view, this is an all times tragedy and a betrayal to national interests, such as the protocols were presented at their time.