Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Israel wants business from Azerbaijan. The best way to get that business is to give the technology they (Azeris) are buying to Armenia through other channels (Russia). This is not speculation actually, if you don't want to believe me, fine, but this is not something coming out of the air.

Producing, manufacturing UAVs is at its infancy for most countries.

Undoubtedly the US and Israel have a huge edge ( perhaps 5-10 years)

Additionally they have technology which is restricted from most non allied countries.


Israel will not sell its latest product.

If Armenia can get on a fast development curve Azerbaijan will be blowing huge amounts of money for nothing
buying products and designs off the shelf which will be obsolete after short periods.

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[Mos]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Producing, manufacturing UAVs is at its infancy for most countries.

Undoubtedly the US and Israel have a huge edge ( perhaps 5-10 years)

Additionally they have technology which is restricted from most non allied countries.


Israel will not sell its latest product.

If Armenia can get on a fast development curve Azerbaijan will be blowing huge amounts of money for nothing
buying products and designs off the shelf which will be obsolete after short periods.

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Sure, but the technology it gives to Azerbaijan it won't mind sharing with Armenia through some channels because it knows that as a result Azerbaijan will buy more and more (because they will see us with such weapons also). In the end, Azeris are blowing through huge amounts of money while we are getting these technologies at fraction prices or for free via Russian channels. Israel doesn't give a sh*t who wins in karabakh, they just want their oil for weapons business with Azerbaijan. All the big players are trying to maintain the military balance between Armenia and Azerbaijan, because they don't want any side to have a substantial military advantage. Do you think the visit of the Italian Defence Minister and the US Navy Minister some time ago, was just by accident? The West and other players know that Azerbaijan has a big money advantage, so they want to make sure both sides are militarily at par to keep the status quo and keep stability in the region. This is what superpowers have always been doing and they will continue to do this.

[burjuin]

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[Vahram]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Israel backs Azerbaijan as strategic partner

http://www.neurope.eu/article/israel-backs-azerbaijan-strategic-partner

Some of you guys are so lost it's not even funny. We made our own UAV, the rest is just fantasy some of you have, this is really dangerous. For starters get a grip on reality before spewing nonsense! We built Migs, we can build UAV’s and more. This is the typical Armenian sickness in thinking that someone else had the build them. Get your facts straight, and stop daydreaming. Anything a Je w can build an Armenian can build better. The only behind the scenes talk going on is how lost some of you guys are...LOL

Hakop pointed out several times already how they are getting their tech. Does not mean we have to glorify them for being thieves, nor should we shortchange our own accomplishments.

[Eddo211]

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Yes Vahram.....I like that attitude, right on.

Mos, also don't forget we shotdown an Israeli drone operated by Azeris......we got alot of data out of that.

[Hakob]

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Yes Vahram.....I like that attitude, right on.

Mos, also don't forget we shotdown an Israeli drone operated by Azeris......we got alot of data out of that.

Vahram's is not just an attidue.
Currently I am working in an industry, where few engineers came from military avionics field. I have heard facts about specific technology developments in USA, which ended up used first in Israel.
I think that many of you guys are too young to remember avioclubs and radioclubs in Yerevan schools and some of the people that came frome those into soviet engineering institutes.
One thing. You have to be blind and crazy no to ask yourselfs, how is it that Armenia is the first nation to bring down Israeli built drone. If we were not good and into it ourselfs then how did we manage to come up with counter technology?
Some of you may not know that it goes few years back, before even we downed the drone last year.
Do you remember the "caspian air'' plane that was blown in air? Majority passengers were Armenians.
So in one Israeli forum I witnessed two of the guys like us, military buffs, discussing it, and how Armenians deserved a good lesson like that so they would think twice before transferng important technology secrets to Iran...
Not long after that we downed Azery (israeli) drone. Later Iran downed american drone. We had allready showcased our drones in parade. If I am correct, Iranians downed american drone before they even flew their first one. And please look and see if theirs is not allmost exact copy ouf ours that we showed few months earlier. Do you see what I mean?
I think that Israel was on it's way to sell(or so told) to baku many more planes and more sophisticated ones. Probably even something like Machatz-1.
Money was a secondary issue. As israel has been planning strikes against Iran, all those drones sold (appearently sold) to baku could be used on Iran by Israel any time.
We spoiled all those plans in that any new and sophisticated technology given to baku could be brought down by us and later you know what...

[Eddo211]

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But we know that in 15-20 years those veterans will be gone and new military generation could fall under heavy control of oligarchs or shadowy groups. No matter how big efforts are put into it, the Dedovschina or any similar group can easily infest and disrupt military functions in future. So the metamorphosis of dedovschina into national army leadership would be very sad page in our history.
I am one of those thinking that in order to get rid of oligarchs, the whole Armenian citizenry has to change. Liberate itself from russian/soviet serf-communist subject mentality and evolve into a strong and active national entity that will make it impossible for oligarchs to exist within.
The same way we have to develop (or dig up from our national memory) the entity of Armenian soldier/warrior to guarantee against dedovschina, corruption and ensure continuos strength of our army. It is a matter of national survival and one of the first priorities.

I agree and if it is as bad as you say then that is a worst than a strong enemy you face on the battlefield......for an nation in danger of extinction this cannot be allowed in Armenian defence forces.

Our ancient ways of covenant must be guarded and honored.

[Mos]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

dzer cav@ tanem, mi hat lsek eli....

http://www.neurope.eu/article/israel...ategic-partner

Some of you guys are so lost it's not even funny. We made our own UAV, the rest is just fantasy some of you have, this is really dangerous. For starters get a grip on reality before spewing nonsense! We built Migs, we can build UAV’s and more. This is the typical Armenian sickness in thinking that someone else had the build them. Get your facts straight, and stop daydreaming. Anything a Je w can build an Armenian can build better. The only behind the scenes talk going on is how lost some of you guys are...LOL

Hakop pointed out several times already how they are getting their tech. Does not mean we have to glorify them for being thieves, nor should we shortchange our own accomplishments.

Yes we build our own UAV's also, but often times you take certain influences from existing technologies and improve upon them. Now, again, stop shooting the messenger! What I'm telling you is not something I'm getting from the air, because I myself would not believe this to be true if the specific source hadn't confirmed it. But there are some very legitimate sources about this and strategically it makes sense for Israel, because they just want to make money off of Azerbaijan's purchases. If you don't want to believe me, fine, but I'm just saying how it is.

Yes Vahram.....I like that attitude, right on.

Mos, also don't forget we shotdown an Israeli drone operated by Azeris......we got alot of data out of that.

Yeah that's true, but what I'm talking about is receiving some Israeli technology via Russian channels. The weapon's business is a tricky thing and is not that straightforward. As I said in my previous post, major powers often times just want to keep the balance between the states like Armenia and Azerbaijan. No one is saying that all our drones are Israeli and so forth. And actually I know personally a person that has worked on the drones for the Minister of Defence. So again, I'm not talking out of the air here, but if you guys want to shoot down everything I say, go ahead.

[Mos]

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Just to add. I hate Israel and would not want to get weapons for them. I think we should be self-sufficient and we should have our own defence industry, which is actually coming true with the new Russian-Armenian defence industry venture that will open in Armenia. We need to realise our weaknesses and work on them, we need to make our army more efficient and professional. All this comes with improvements in our country in many spheres.

[burjuin]

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Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.